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VickiandKev

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My partner and I are setting up a fish breeding setup for clown loaches, L128s, L200s and ancistrus sp.
We originally didn't plan on the L128s or L200s, although the clown loaches were then a pipe dream, which is now seeming closer to reality.
Obviously, for this, we need BIG tanks. We're planning on keeping the tanks in our home, partly because of the heating issue and it's warmer where we are, and partly because we have fish because we like to see them, so it would make little sense to keep them tucked away somewhere.
After a few false starts and problems in obtaining and deciding on our final setup, we've now decided to put our DIY skills to use and simply make what we want. It may take a year to get everything as we want it, but that is fine.

We are planning on having one big 9' x 2" x 2' for the living room centre piece, racks of 6' x 2' x 12" (L x W x H) and possibly also some 3' x 2' x 12" as well. We are making the stands ourselves, and also the tanks - which leads to my questions.

**The stands we are going to make are essentially frames, intended for use with all glass tanks, - I'm presuming plywood tanks (if we do use them) need to have a solid base to stand on, so we'd need to brace the stand and add a thick plywood sheet?

**For those who may have used both, which would be better/cheaper/easier to make/maintain - plywood tanks with a front viewing window or all glass tanks? How careful must you be when cleaning/trying to arrange decor without scratching plywood tanks?

**Also, what are the limitations of a good plywood tank - I would need to keep my tank at around 27C for the species I plan to keep - does this affect the life of the epoxy/resin coating? Or the wood itself? Can I use a 2" deep sand substrate and load with bogwood with no problems?

**Finally, am I right in assuming that plywood with a good layer of epoxy will insulate heat better than glass (bearing in mind, due the depth, the glass we would use would be 9mm thick or less)?

I had initially decided on all glass tanks, but after seeing the recently resurrected post on plywood tanks, they can be very aesthetically pleasing.

ETA: Also, do we want hardwood or softwood ply ... I'm thinking hardwood would be best ....
 
:hyper: fantastic idea!

i cant offer much in the way of help, but i would really love to see how this develops. i have a similar plan myself( breeding plecos :wub: )

it would be fantastic if this thread continued throughout the build process right up to the finished project :)

i wish you good luck and im looking forward to checking in to see the progress.....i might even be able to help somewhere down the line with advice :good:
 
i dont think clown loaches have ever been bread in tanks, they pair for life
 
I know someone who bred them previous to taking up breeding rare and 'extinct in the wild' species so we're planning to do this with a bit of mentoring :) Fingers crossed for results in the next few years - it can't be rushed but at least we have some starting points (and already got a shoal of 18 clown loaches, one of which is gravid, so we just need to work on habitat and conditions in their new monster tank).

So far, things are going well, we're hoping to be some of the first aquarists to breed L128s and L200s in the home aquarium.

Thanks for the encouragement plecostomus-mad - if people would be interested, I'd be happy to do regular updates and a photo diary. I should probably go and get some pics of our current residents to start it off lol :p
 
I now have another question - I have just read on one site that it is not recommended to keep plecos in plywood tanks as they will rasp through the coating for the plywood underneath and break the seal - is this possible or likely?

I'm finding it rather hard to imagine they would - plecs aren't usually interested in plastic and if I use liquid rubber as a coating, I just can't imagine they'd be interested enough to rasp all the way through it?

Any ideas - has anyone kept large plecs or large numbers of plecs in a plywood tank for a long period of time without problems?

I guess if I'm really worried, I can modify the original idea and simply silicone some thinner sheets of acrylic to the inside walls of the tank - they'll never get through acrylic even only a few mm thick ...
 
i have 4 plecos, 2 never touch the sides at all, my golden nugget does every so often and my bristlenose wont come off it.lol as for rasping through coatings on plywood, i would say it is unlikely but indeed possible.they do have teeth of a sort, because they chew on wood,actually eating it would be a better term because it helps them digest foods and gives them fibre. so over long period of time? certainly.

a skin of acrylic sounds like a good idea, even if its a just in case fixture.
 
Have been researching and asking around the plywood tanks/pleco situation and it seems that plecos will also rasp through acrylic!! They are naughty fish sometimes!

SO, Plan B would be, if we wanted to go ahead with the plywood tanks, to make a background (for the back and sides) using slate tiles, but then we'd have to figure out a way of securing these without relying on the strength of the liquid rubber. I'm worried if we glue straight to the liquid rubber, we could be risking the integrity of it and it might pull away with the weight of the slate tiles.

Any ideas on this? I was thinking bolting a 'back-plate' of either acrylic or something similar onto the back panel after sealing with liquid rubber, and then siliconing the slate tiles onto this .... argh, I really don't know though. I don't want it all to collapse, but I really like the idea of plywood tanks now!
 
Going on the fact that plec (especially big plecs) tend to rasp on anything they sit on for any length of time, do you think it possible they might rasp through the cement coating on this fake rock background and get to the styrofoam?
If so, is that stuff safe? I'm a bit concerned it might leach things into the water and poison the fish if my plecos should decide to have a go at it :(
 
Going on the fact that plec (especially big plecs) tend to rasp on anything they sit on for any length of time, do you think it possible they might rasp through the cement coating on this fake rock background and get to the styrofoam?
If so, is that stuff safe? I'm a bit concerned it might leach things into the water and poison the fish if my plecos should decide to have a go at it :(
no, i dont think they can munch through concrete. :lol: im using 6 layers to be extra sure.lol you may have to seal it with pond paint, they come in lots of natural colors.most people just add concrete color additive to change the color and never seal, and have had no problems so i hear.the finished project needs rinsing well and left to sit for atleast a week with daily water changes.
 

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