Over Stocking? Hope Not.

tankwipe86

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I'm stocking a cycled 20 gallon tank. I'd like to get a beta, 3 silver dollars, a Pleco, polka Dot Pimelodella Catfish, and 2 mystery snails . I want too get 2 red eyed puffers as well but I'm afraid it might be over stocked. It looks like there is more than enough room, and i know that the pleco and the cat get big but I know someone who would gladly take them when they out grow the tank. Just wanted some opinions. Thanks.
 
silver dollars get big, are active, and need bigger groups. Not sure on the catfish. Make sure your pH is over 7 for the snails. Not sure on the puffers... overall I think you should rethink it a little bit...
 
Betta - Not good for community.
Silver Dollars - Need 75g I think.
Pleco - As you said, gets big, needs a big tank.
Pim Pictus - Needs 55g.
Puffers - Probably need more room and brackish (if not full marine).

None of those are suitable.

Actually I just did a google on the puffer, it did not suggest they need any salt at all, they grow to about 5cm.

1 would probably be ok not sure about two they may fight.

Make sure you thoroughly research them first as puffers require special care like different food and stuff.
 
Yeah puffers aren't exactly the best fish for beginners.
 
1 gallon per one inch of fish. At least thats what I'm told.
 
I suggest you look at other, much smaller fish.

If you have a need to get something, more aggressive and interesting, you could get shelldweller cichlids or dwarf south american cichlids, depending whether your water is hard or soft.
 
1 gallon per one inch of fish. At least thats what I'm told.

Sharpie, that rule is only meant to be a very loose guideline. I wish people would stop telling everybody that. ;)

Yeah it's basically a guide to good newbies out of trouble and problems.

Well I am a newbie so thats what I know. I'll cut it out then, just trying to help. I only like small fish and invertebrates so that rule works seems to work well in my case. :good: I always thought that a small number of fish works well if dune right, especially in a planted tank.
 
1 gallon per one inch of fish. At least thats what I'm told.

Sharpie, that rule is only meant to be a very loose guideline. I wish people would stop telling everybody that. ;)

Yeah it's basically a guide to good newbies out of trouble and problems.

Well I am a newbie so thats what I know. I'll cut it out then, just trying to help. I only like small fish and invertebrates so that rule works seems to work well in my case. :good: I always thought that a small number of fish works well if dune right, especially in a planted tank.


I know, it's just there so many different situations, and one rule can't apply to them all... it works okay for small fish, but then you have fish like zebra danios which are small but need a little more room, and there's just all kinds of problems. :)
 
well I'm going to try it.. :rolleyes: i think it will work out well looking at my tank now with the cat, wall sucker fish "hank", the three silver dollars, and the beta which leaves every one alone, he just occasionally trys to take on the reflection beta on the tank wall. there seems to be more than enough room. i know how big the silvers and the sucky fish get. The sucker fish (can't think of the right name at the moment sorry) who is only 2" long now will be given away when he gets to big. the only fish I'm getting now is the puffer that i have researched and maybe a little eel or a knife fish. and can someone tell me types of eels or knife fish that stay small like 4 " or less. and i will gladly take any suggestions of small nice looking fish i can get instead. thank you
 
well I'm going to try it.. :rolleyes: i think it will work out well looking at my tank now with the cat, wall sucker fish "hank", the three silver dollars, and the beta which leaves every one alone, he just occasionally trys to take on the reflection beta on the tank wall. there seems to be more than enough room. i know how big the silvers and the sucky fish get. The sucker fish (can't think of the right name at the moment sorry) who is only 2" long now will be given away when he gets to big. the only fish I'm getting now is the puffer that i have researched and maybe a little eel or a knife fish. and can someone tell me types of eels or knife fish that stay small like 4 " or less. and i will gladly take any suggestions of small nice looking fish i can get instead. thank you




You have all of these fish in the tank?!


The silver dollars will outgrow the tank, and chances are that your "wall sucker fish" is a chinese algae eater (also known as "CAE" for short), a fish that can grow to 10"long and tend to become agressive and territorial when older (they can grow nasty habits like trying to suck the protective slime coat off flat bodied fish, so this would include your silver dollars, and tend to grow very territorial towards other bottom dwelling fish, particularly if they are not very large etc).

Betta's are generally not suited to community tanks as the males are territorial and solitary fish by nature (and so become stressed when put into active community fish tanks) and because of their long finnage, they tend not to cope well in tanks that have medium or strong current etc.

Redeye puffers are not suited to community tanks like yours, and will pick on fish like your betta;

<a href="http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/puf-irrub.htm" target="_blank">http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/puf-irrub.htm</a>

"Demonstrates territorial behaviour, but is not particularly aggressive. It may still nip fins however - so avoid mixing with slow-swimming species with long finnage." (this slow-swimming fish with long finnage would include fish like your betta)



As far as i am aware all knifefish grow pretty large, the most common type of knifefish you are likely to see in a petshop is the black ghost knife, which grows to 20inches (which is obviously too big a growing fish for a 20gal).






Fishkeeping takes responsability, you are responsable for the well being and lives of your fish and they are at your mercy- so you need to excercise more responsability over your actions and correct the mistakes you have made with stocking your tank before you consider buying anymore fish- you also need to thoroughly research fish before buying them, best going to different sources for your info etc :nod: .
It is not good to say "well I'm going to try it.. :rolleyes: i think it will work out well looking at my tank now", you shouldn't play with your pets lives in such a way, you should be trying to avoid taking risks with your fishs lives and welbeing instead of taking unesarsary risks based on lack of research etc.
You will appreiciate and enjoy your fish a great deal more when you make sure your fish stocking and tank maintanence regime is good and your fish are happy for it, displaying good colours and normal, natural and happy behavior and are in good health etc.
 
After looking it up that is a $*%^ load of fish in one tank. :blink:
 
So pretty much the OP asked for advice, and even though everyone said, No... rethink what you want in the tank, NO... some of the fish you want get too big, etc etc etc... they still ignored it all. *sigh*
OP you REALLY need to take the advice given to you and do alot more research. Saying "Well I'm gonna try it" isn't good enough.

I really can't stand it when people say that they'll rehome the fish once it gets too big. Well how do you know you're gonna be able to do that? Are you 100% positive you'll have a place that will take the fish off your hands when it gets too large for your tank? What are you going to do if you can't rehome the fish?

Seriously just think about taking most of your fish back and doing more research and taking the good advice here that's given to you.
 
Ok, this is what is going to happen. i have 2 silver dollars, the pleco, the cat which gets maybe at the most 4", and the beta. im giveing the pleco away when he gets like 3 inch. the cat im going to keep. the beta if he ever seems stressed i will take him out. im going to keep the 2 silver dollars till they get to big. when it is all said and done i will have a south American puffer which is one of the nicer ones and can thrive in fresh watter with no salt. the beta if he stays ok. the cat and 2 silver dollars till they get to big. its not like now i have fish cramped in there there is a ton of room now because they are so small. when i give the dollars way im going to have the puffer, the cat, and the beta. and that seems ok. ya i will prolly get some little fish( not to little so the puffer dose not make them disappear). I assure you im not just slamming fish in there and not testing the watter and taking care of them. If i ever see a fish that looks a little stressed out or sad or sick i will give him a bigger tank with a friend.
 

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