Otto Looks Like His Nose Is Rotting!

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I had white spot and still do in my tank. Currently treating with Interpet. I put the problem with my otto down to white spot, but it isn`t really getting better.

As you can see from the picture, the front of the ottos nose has lost it brown cover/skin.

All water stats are here:

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Hope someone can help. The cardinals gils also looked a bit erroded, maybe i have something else with the whitespot?
 
can`t think what would attack him tho...only got 15 cardinals and 2 plattys in with him!

It also seemed to coincidental that i have white spot at the same time. The other otto is fine tho!

Chris
 
That doesn't look good - but my first thought too was that someone took a chunk out of him.
It might be bacterial, but I've never seen bacterial on such a "clean" wound.

Whatever you do, take care not to mix any medication at all. Especially not the Interpet range. And if you decide to switch meds, run a carbon pad (in conjunction with a water change) between the 2 different medications. But give it at least two days running with a carbon pad before switching to new meds.

Good luck :/
 
tbh bloo, i`m out of ideas! The cardinals have defo got whitespot. I think my first job is to clean that up.

I`m wondering whether he has banged it on something , i cant see that anything would bite it and the other otto is fine!

Chris

can i just say as well, looking at the pic and going back to the tank to have a look in person, the pic looks worse than it is. In the picture it looks like a chunk is missing. In actual fact this is not the case, thats just the natural shape of his head. What is missing is the brown skin over the top, exposing the white flesh. Its not a chunk at all, just like the top layer of skin!

Chris
 
I think it's unlikely that he "banged" it anywhere, however it's possible that he got trapped somewhere I guess.

My experience with whitespot is that an outbreak often occurs when fish are stressed and their immune is down due to other factors (perhaps such as a bacterial problem).

So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation - because if you cure them if ICH, the other problem still remains and will continue the weaken fish :/
But if you don't know what the other problem is, you don't know how to treat.

Are your cherry shrimp in the same tank ? If they are, then take extreme care with the medication because you can't use white spot meds (the Interpet anyway) with them. And most other meds are lethal too.
 
Ahhhhhh this is turning into a nightmare!

Yes my cherry reds are in the tank !!! and ttbh i cant find any of them this morning to take them out!!!

Also i have noticed fin rot on my cardinals!! Ohhhhh my ...continue white spot treatment or move to fin rot!

HELP
 
Chris this is a nightmare situation one ive been in myself treated for something then i noticed it could be something else, after reading alot and looking at alot of disease pics this really was doing my head in.I made a decision to change meds used the carbon for few hours done a 30% water change and changed meds both interpet meds,but you have to make a decision and quickly.luckily i made the right decision but this is a tricky one for you
GOOD LUCK
 
White spot is endemic in pretty much all fish species (like the herpes virus in humans) and as has already been said only breaks out in times of stress. To continue my anaology this would be when a human gets a cold sore. IMO if you remove the cause of stress then the white spot may clear up by itself. I would treat the fin rot first and test the water carefully to see if that is what it causing the stress. As for the poor ottos nose he/she may well have been excessivley scratching it and just rubbed off the top layer of skin.

I hope I havent justrestated the obvious and I hope you can sort it Im sure we are all wishing you the best
 
I would continue treating the white spot, but only using half the recomended dose of the meds. Since you also have finrot setting in, you will need an antibiotic treatment for them as well. So with the ich meds at half dose, begin a course of anti bacterial meds. Watch the fish carefully for signs of stress, as having two meds in their water will decrease the oxygen. If you have an air stone, now would be a good time to run it.

If you are worried about using the white spot med at half dose, remember that is what is commonly done for scaleless fish anyways, so it should still work, but it will take longer. It may also be a good time to remove the cherry shrimp from the tank if you can find them.
 
Sorry tttnjfttt but I strongly disagree. Never ever use meds at half dose - unless for fish known not to respond well (i.e. die) at full strength (for obvious reasons this will increases the fishes resistance to meds in future). Interpet ICH meds at full strenght can be used safely with all fish - as long as you pump in lots of extra oxygen (a spare filter / powerhead / aircurtain).
And never mix meds unless you know absolutely that you can do so. And you cannot do so with Interpet. I've tried before with severe consequences (death!).

At this stage I would continue treating for ICH and once that is gone, move on to anti bacterial meds (with a carbon pad and 50% water change inbetween).

Raise temperature to 28C while treating for ICH and increase aeration as much as you can.

Best of luck :thumbs:
 
hi
we noticed ages ago one of our otos occasionally had a small white spot on its nose very similar to yours but not nearly nearly as bad..........i found the problem was when i heard a little 'thud' noise one night & looked to see the oto swimming down again after diving up for some O2 - he'd been knocking his nose on the glass strip on the top in the middle of the tank , and he was able to do this cos i hadnt noticed & had probably filled the tank up just a teeny bit too much so there was no 'air gap' between the glass strip & the water level ( does that make sense???)........
is this possibly what has happened to your oto??? i now always make sure the water level is such that no little noses can get bumped when they shoot up to the surface. i put melafix in the tank at the time ( had mild fungus on another fish ) & oto completely recovered. obviously though with all your other probs you'll need something stronger as suggested. but have a close look at your tank & see if theres anywhere your oto could have been bumping his snout like mine was
good luck
 
Hi isnt much better, ok i can`t tell any difference, but at least its no worse!

Now its very interesting your post millym, since this is one time that for no special reason i have filled the tank nearly 1-2cm above where i normally do. Would be very strange and can`t see it being the problem, i`ll do a water change since its due today with new meds! and defo keep the level down!

Thanks for the comments..

I`ll keep you updated!

Chris
 
Very intersting Milly. I've never seen this with Ottos, but my one Red Rainbow certainly did this. So much so that his "nose/lip" was completely deformed. None of the other Rainbows did this. The force with which he hit the lid was so hard you could easily hear it from other rooms in the house :X So Chris, this is most certainly a possibility.

How is the ICH coming along ?
 

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