Omg Glow In The Dark Fish!-what The?

[Danno]

two little things for interest here (off topic I know..)

If you eat rice, most of it is GMO.
Gattaca is a sample DNA strand g.a.t.t.a.c.a. G,A,C, and T are all molocules that are known as nucleotides.

 

[proton]

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This is exactly the kind of way-out-there science fiction mumbo jumbo I was warning against. This is taking the most extreme measures and trying to make them out to be the future.

Oh, and to answer the question, no I don't mind genetically modified animals. I actually have kept Glo-fish and know more than what the media sensationalizes.

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Yes I know you know more than the media sensationalises and I used a "what if" senario to bring a point through, but another point is that you bought them because you thought they were cool or were beautiful, what was your reason if I may ask?
people will buy then cause they think they are cool or beautiful which I think is wrong, what is wrong with what we have? Regardless of what science says, if it is supposed to aid us in whatever way, why do they sell them to the genreral public? You are supporting a lost cause, it's like they couldn't get it right but now that they have these glowfish lets make money out of it.

You don't see GM mice for sale to the general public, I have a friend that uses Mice to do experiments on to benefit the human race, in a way I think that is crule, and I think it's wrong but it aids us right?

I'm not going to go into a tangent here and give reasons behind my way of thinking. If you are not happy with what nature has given us then why are you in the hobby?

Well I'm sure you have read this article. I still think it's wrong.

 

[paul_219]

Wow that cool. Hehe /

 

[proton]

lol, yes I suppose, wonder if the thing about the green rabbit and monkey are true thought

EDIT : just did a google and the rabbit is called ALBA, also is blacklight not bad for the fish?

 

[craigybaby37]

ime not to keen on the idea my self i prefere the natural look of fish that picture on the site looks terrible why anyone would want them ide never know. i meen with the wide variety of fish out there all with there fantastic natural looks like my new blue rams for instance absolutly fantastic colours and they are still realy young at only about an inch long it just need the right lighting to bring out the bright colours in fish so no need for gm fish.....what next gm plants for your tank??soon your tank will look like somthing from the 50's or 60's all glowing in the dark

 

[Colonel Mustard]

they look pretty funky

 

[Teelie]

This is exactly the kind of way-out-there science fiction mumbo jumbo I was warning against. This is taking the most extreme measures and trying to make them out to be the future.

Oh, and to answer the question, no I don't mind genetically modified animals. I actually have kept Glo-fish and know more than what the media sensationalizes.

Yes I know you know more than the media sensationalises and I used a "what if" senario to bring a point through, but another point is that you bought them because you thought they were cool or were beautiful, what was your reason if I may ask?
people will buy then cause they think they are cool or beautiful which I think is wrong, what is wrong with what we have? Regardless of what science says, if it is supposed to aid us in whatever way, why do they sell them to the genreral public? You are supporting a lost cause, it's like they couldn't get it right but now that they have these glowfish lets make money out of it.

You don't see GM mice for sale to the general public, I have a friend that uses Mice to do experiments on to benefit the human race, in a way I think that is crule, and I think it's wrong but it aids us right?

I'm not going to go into a tangent here and give reasons behind my way of thinking. If you are not happy with what nature has given us then why are you in the hobby?

Well I'm sure you have read this article. I still think it's wrong.

The article proved my point actually.

I am disappointed that Mr. Coren seemed more interested in pushing an anti-GMO agenda than anything else. While I was happy for the opportunity to respond to a variety of issues, my responses were selectively edited and the context greatly colored by his use of off-screen narration.

Apparently, he's not alone in the anti-GMO agenda. This argument is much like any other personal belief, open to debate and not inherently right or wrong. It has potential for both. People can exploit it or they can use it to be beneficial and inbetween is the grey area where these fish fall. The science behind these fish was meant to examine pollution in water and even if these fish themselves are not the end result of the experiment, the money made selling them is in part donated to continuing that project which is meant to benefit science and the environment.

So like most things in life, reducing it to a simple question or definition grossly underminds the truth behind it.

 

[kribensis12]

What happend to the "god made the world for us, and we are supposed to do whatever we want with it"? I am completwly okay with this, and i see no reason to not do it. It cauese them not pian or stress, and for all they know, they are just like every other fish. And they have 0 chance of taking over the waterways as there pigment makes them stand out and they will be eaten. God has a plan for everyone of us, and how do we know, that this might lead to the cure of cancer? You can awnser that yourselves.

 

[Chuka1212]

Oh man, this is probably a dead topic but I have to get my two cents worth in. I think that complaining about the fact that fish are genetically modified is a bit ludacris, as is saying that people that enjoy them don't enjoy mother nature. At least strides are being taken to move away from dying and coloring fish, which is a cruel thing to do.
The fact is that some people enjoy more colors and differences in fish. To those that have spoken against genetically altered animals, do you also oppose crossbreeding guppies? Technically you are creating new colors/strands that are not natural. Proton seems to be quite against genetically altering fish but has a guppy hybrid himself and long finned zebras which were.... you guessed it, selectively bred by humans for longer fins. So are you depreciating nature by owning these? We come across genetically altered foods and livestock all of the time, and if it weren't for these there would be more disease in our foodstuffs and less food. Overall, if you have a preference toward wildtype fish, that is great, but those that enjoy new varieties, especially when they are created humanely, should not be criticized as nature-haters, they just have different preferences.

 

[proton]

well i'm still unsure about selective breeding, but i'm more against GM animals being sold for the sake of looking "cool in an aquarium". fair enough it was created for the intention of checking water quality in rivers but cause they can't succeed (at the moment) they go and sell them off as pets and keep doing so.

and can someone confirm if blacklight is bad for fish?
so people buy them, get a blacklight , which is supposedly bad for fish and do more harm to them that good to the poor fish.
(i checked their website, and they also work in actinic light, so if you want to get them, get actinic light instead, at least you will do half the damage)

also GM animals have been bread for a purpose, to feed us and to have less diseases etc they are not sold off as pets... just like GM crops... unless you know something i don't

at the end of the day, if you like them, then you like them, i personally think it's wrong to GM things without it aiding us in anyway and even sometimes Genetically Modifying things is not the answer.
why not GM a dog so that he purrs when you pat him?

this has been an interesting topic, i for one learnt a few things...

PS I am new to the hobby and never knew that my Long finned danios were selectively bread...
My guppies x endlers were a mistake too, I have removed all the male endlers (all males in my big tank), given most of them away and never new they would cross breed.
I am also looking to rehome my current 10 platy fry and assorted guppy's and endlers... they just keep breeding and I don't know where the sperm comes from!!!! i want to have a dwarf puffer setup instead...

 

[fishkers]

I love these fish. I did a lot of research on them and i've personally studied genetics and this is an absolutly fascinating creation. No fish is harmed in the creation of them which is the neat part. Idk i think they are neat, its amazing what science can do...

Well said proton... one big problem with these GM fish are that they can get out into the wild if you know someone is irresponsible and that can cause major problems. I hear some states in the U.S. are considering banning them.

 

[proton]

i have been doing more reading, there is a wiki entry for them here is the link if anyone is interested GLOFISH

well only time will tell, lets wait and see, they are tropical fish and shouldn't survive in the US climate, but you never know...

this is a quote "it has been found GloFish are indeed fertile and will reproduce in a captive environment. However, the sale of any such offspring is restricted by US Patent number 7,135,613."

just a thought, if they glow only under blacklight, doesn't that mean that their preadators need a blacklight to find them
or is moonlight enough?

 

[Teelie]

one big problem with these GM fish are that they can get out into the wild if you know someone is irresponsible and that can cause major problems.

Not really. Assuming the fish survives long enough to adjust to the different environment, something bigger will come along and eat it and that'll be it.