Old Fishkeeping Techniques...

[Ludwig Venter]

Just a word on the subject of "Experts"
I dont really believe in the term in the sence that, we are all learning all the time even the old timers. No one is a complete expert, some may pretend to be but no-one really is IMHO.
Lud you may consider yourself as a caveman now but again I dont believe that to be true either, You were once at the cutting edge with breeding the Acara's, You experienced notority and withdrew as things rolled on.

And how things have rolled on, We didn't know about Cycling, Bloomin heck take a look at the Medication section in your LFS.....Gee what the bloody hells going on There's cures for this, that and the other. Pull your hair out while you decide weither you think your fish has contracted this disease or that. Step forward storekeeper and recommends you buy both.

I've said it before, and I say it again..... You're so perceptive and sums it up so precisely and accurately.... We have a lot to learn from the "Newbies", but I do believe sincerely, that we have a lot to offer as well.....

 

[BigC]

Which is how this hobby and the world in general progresses.
Someone learns something from the old folk, takes that kernel and develops it further, it may amount to nothing much, but equally it could turn into a technological / ecological breakthrough.... its just life.

 

[dnn3]

this newbie appreciates the knowledge of both you gentlemen.

 

[sb_onefish]

The younger generation that has grown up with the Internet probably takes for granted the wealth of information easily available today. Before, you would have to buy books (or check them out from the library once you waited a few weeks for them to special-order them) and pore over them. Might be hundreds of pages of reading to find out one little thing you needed.

You would only have had printed information and the advice of your best-trusted lfs to go by unless you belonged to an aquarium club or something.

Today, make a post and *poof* experienced fishkeepers around the world can and will help you.

 

[Ludwig Venter]

The younger generation that has grown up with the Internet probably takes for granted the wealth of information easily available today. Before, you would have to buy books (or check them out from the library once you waited a few weeks for them to special-order them) and pore over them. Might be hundreds of pages of reading to find out one little thing you needed.

You would only have had printed information and the advice of your best-trusted lfs to go by unless you belonged to an aquarium club or something.

Today, make a post and *poof* experienced fishkeepers around the world can and will help you.

Maybe I'm guilty of this myself, but on a lot of occassions, I'd rather just post my querry before doing a "google search".... it seems so much harder work than merely posting and wait for the experts to give you the answer.....

 

[BigC]

Admittadly the Internet has made referenceing things a lot easier also you can aquire things easier.
Only thing that's up with replies to threads is... are they true, are they personal accounts, or are they bunkum and someone has just looked up the internet an put across a view as their own. You have to be cynical and learn to seperate the wood from the chaff.
It sometimes infuriates me on here, especially in the disease section (I don't frequent it anymore) Some of the replies and remedies offered are sheer cow clap.
All these exotic diseases spring up now. WOW.
I... and I'm sure Ludwig haven't lost many fish over the years through observant and plain common sence fish/water and tank managment proceedures. I'm not saying that I've never lost fish...I have.... and anyone who says they haven't Is a Liar. But when you hear people saying" My guppy's just died" and the reply would be "Dont worry Guppies are nowhere near as hardy as the were years ago" well I ask you.

 

[Ludwig Venter]

Admittadly the Internet has made referenceing things a lot easier also you can aquire things easier.
Only thing that's up with replies to threads is... are they true, are they personal accounts, or are they bunkum and someone has just looked up the internet an put across a view as their own. You have to be cynical and learn to seperate the wood from the chaff.

After a while, though... you get to know the people, and you'll know when a second opinion may be necessary..... Like anything... ANYTHING that Colint-T and Big C says on this forum will not be bull####.....(sorry for my French, but have no better way of expessing "absolute truth")

 

[dnn3]

i think this place is as beneficial as google.when i wanted to put anges in with my kribs i did research on the net as to yay or nay and couldn't find anything.so i asked here and got some nays and 1 maybe.i decided to try it and so far so good.the maybe was from a moderator so that's why i decided to do it.

 

[Biulu]

I'm with Colin on this one.... The biggest breakthrough in fishkeeping technology was the invention of the "All glass tank".....

Those old angle ironed tanks we used to keep eventually rusted and every water change, you stood ready with the putty to seal the consequent leakages..... You just knew they were going to leak and it was an inherent peril of keeping fish that you just lived with if you wanted to enjoy the pleasures.

I still have a small one like that. It was given to me by a study friend. It sits idle in the attick though!

I am surprised about the water changes, because 10 years ago, I was told I needed to change all of the water once a month. And that is what I did, including giving the gravel a thorough rinse! Gone were all the bacteria.......

 

[Sunny_Bee]

The younger generation that has grown up with the Internet probably takes for granted the wealth of information easily available today. Before, you would have to buy books (or check them out from the library once you waited a few weeks for them to special-order them) and pore over them. Might be hundreds of pages of reading to find out one little thing you needed.

You would only have had printed information and the advice of your best-trusted lfs to go by unless you belonged to an aquarium club or something.

Today, make a post and *poof* experienced fishkeepers around the world can and will help you.

Sometimes I miss the old 'go out and buy a book' days. I still have at least 15 books on various different pets that taught me so much. Personally, I have to focus more and read carefully with a book, where as online you can 'skim' and search for just what you want. And as others have said, sometimes what you get is not good advice!! (but then again, the same is so often true of pet store employees....)

 

[kribensis12]

I've always wanted to read a old fashioned fish book. But the oldest one i have it like early 90's, late 80's ( i think)

 

[jourdy288]

Just a word on the subject of "Experts"
I dont really believe in the term in the sence that, we are all learning all the time even the old timers. No one is a complete expert, some may pretend to be but no-one really is IMHO.
Lud you may consider yourself as a caveman now but again I dont believe that to be true either, You were once at the cutting edge with breeding the Acara's, You experienced notority and withdrew as things rolled on.

And how things have rolled on, We didn't know about Cycling, Bloomin heck take a look at the Medication section in your LFS.....Gee what the bloody hells going on There's cures for this, that and the other. Pull your hair out while you decide weither you think your fish has contracted this disease or that. Step forward storekeeper and recommends you buy both.

I've said it before, and I say it again..... You're so perceptive and sums it up so precisely and accurately.... We have a lot to learn from the "Newbies", but I do believe sincerely, that we have a lot to offer as well.....

I do think we can learn from Newbies. They are a unique group, and are not hard set in their ways, making them very creative. They may not know that much, but they still come up with excellent ideas.

 

[jourdy288]

The younger generation that has grown up with the Internet probably takes for granted the wealth of information easily available today. Before, you would have to buy books (or check them out from the library once you waited a few weeks for them to special-order them) and pore over them. Might be hundreds of pages of reading to find out one little thing you needed.

You would only have had printed information and the advice of your best-trusted lfs to go by unless you belonged to an aquarium club or something.

Today, make a post and *poof* experienced fishkeepers around the world can and will help you.

Sometimes I miss the old 'go out and buy a book' days. I still have at least 15 books on various different pets that taught me so much. Personally, I have to focus more and read carefully with a book, where as online you can 'skim' and search for just what you want. And as others have said, sometimes what you get is not good advice!! (but then again, the same is so often true of pet store employees....)

I know, the one disadvantage of this "Easy Internet" is that the info is sometimes flawed, as people will sometimes put up the wrong info. But, I think Theaquariumwiki is a very reliable source, because even though a bunch of average Joes write it, information there requires VERIFICATION! I think, though, that Big Bag Super Store LFS employees without experience are dangerous to the hobby though, because they are never well trained. I am thankful that when I first walked into an LFS that though it was Super-Store, the guy there was very experienced, with over 30 tanks!

I've always wanted to read a old fashioned fish book. But the oldest one i have it like early 90's, late 80's ( i think)

I think have ones going back to the 60's, maybe earlier.

 

[fish48]

i like the od fish magazines i have some datetin back as far as 1949

 

[jourdy288]

i like the od fish magazines i have some datetin back as far as 1949

Wow, I didn't know they went back that far!