New Fish Keep Dying!

I'm going by my own personal experience of acclimatising,when i first started out and none this wiser i done the same has you added fish without adding water,12-24 hours later all dead...

Every since then i've always added a little tank water in the bag over an hour or so,2 hours when i collected some corys from 90 miles away and i have never lost a fish through this method.

Theres no harm in trying what possibly 90% of peeps do anyway.

Good luck with your next lot of fish :)
 
Thanks guys!

I will give the drip method a try then! :)
 
I get a cup and scoop in a cups worth of tank water, leave it for 15 mins then net them and dump them in. Did it this weekend with 15 rummy nose with no problem, done several times before with various other fish, no losses.

Did you do a water test when you spotted the dead fish in the tank, or did you remove them and test later? Since the majority of bacteria are held on the cermaic pieces in the 405 and not the sponges, i would hazard a guess that the sponges might not be able to cope with the influx of several fish at once and an ammonia spike could have knocked them off? Its just a shot in the dark really :eek:

PS. I agree that you shouldnt be keeping corys in such a small tank, 15 litres is very small indeed and a lone cory is going to be pretty miserable in there. if you want to teach your daughter responsible fish keeping i would consider a few minnows and cherry shrimp then progress to bigger tanks/fish as the years go by. Lots more fun and educational at the same time.

Good luck.
 
I understand what they are saying, about the pH drop, but there are SO many things to factor in here, besides just pH. First, the rate at which they claim the pH drops is highly exaggerated. But, even if it did happen that fast, then dropping the fish into another pH rapidly would be DOUBLY bad.


But, what about water hardness, total dissolved solids, etc.? You sited an article from Corysrus. I'll quote an article from liveaquaria.com (Their guide is for both salt and fresh water. Something that we need to consider is that salt water fish are just as sensitive, if not more sensitive, given their other requirements and that if this supplier recommends these processes, then we should be able to use them for freshwater fish as well.

The purpose of acclimation is simple: the water that the fish or corals are packaged in has different temperature, pH, and salinity parameters than your aquarium. Fish, and especially invertebrates (including corals), are very sensitive to even minor changes in these parameters, so proper acclimation is the key to ensuring their successful relocation.

We recommend either of the two acclimation methods explained below, and wish to remind you the acclimation process should never be rushed. Also, remember to keep your aquarium lights off for at least four hours after the specimens are introduced into the aquarium to help them further adjust.

Though not a requirement of our acclimation procedures, we highly recommend that all aquatic life be quarantined in a separate aquarium for a period of two weeks to reduce the possibility of introducing diseases and parasites into your aquarium and to ensure they are accepting food, eating properly, and are in optimum health before their final transition to your main display.

Floating Method
Turn off aquarium lights.

Dim the lights in the room where the shipping box will be opened. Never open the box in bright light - severe stress or trauma may result from sudden exposure to bright light.

Float the sealed bag in the aquarium for 15 minutes (Fig. A). Never open the shipping bag at this time. This step allows the water in the shipping bag to adjust slowly to the temperature in the aquarium, while maintaining a high level of dissolved oxygen.

After floating the sealed shipping bag for 15 minutes, cut open the bag just under the metal clip (Fig. B) and roll the top edge of the bag down one inch to create an air pocket within the lip of the bag. This will enable the bag to float on the surface of the water (Fig. C). For heavy pieces of live coral that will submerge the shipping bag, place the bag containing the coral in a plastic bowl or specimen container.

Add 1/2 cup of aquarium water to the shipping bag (Fig. D).

Repeat step 5 every four minutes until the shipping bag is full.

Lift the shipping bag from the aquarium and discard half the water from the bag (Fig. E).

Float the shipping bag in the aquarium again and proceed to add 1/2 cup of aquarium water to the shipping bag every four minutes until the bag is full.

Net aquatic life from the shipping bag and release into the aquarium (Fig. F).

Remove the filled shipping bag from the aquarium and discard the water. Never release shipping water directly into the aquarium.
Drip Method
This method is considered more advanced. It is geared toward sensitive inhabitants such as corals, shrimp, sea stars, and wrasses. You will need airline tubing and must be willing to monitor the entire process. Gather a clean, 3 or 5-gallon bucket designated for aquarium use only. If acclimating both fish and invertebrates, use a separate bucket for each.

Start with Steps 1-3 of the floating method to acclimate water temperature.

Carefully empty the contents of the bags (including the water) into the buckets (Fig. G), making sure not to expose sensitive invertebrates to the air. Depending on the amount of water in each bag, this may require tilting the bucket at a 45 degree angle to make sure the animals are fully submerged (Fig. H). You may need a prop or wedge to help hold the bucket in this position until there is enough liquid in the bucket to put it back to a level position.

Using airline tubing, set up and run a siphon drip line from the main aquarium to each bucket. You’ll need separate airline tubing for each bucket used. Tie several loose knots in the airline tubing, or use a plastic or other non-metal airline control valve, (Fig. I), to regulate flow from the aquarium. It is also a good idea to secure the airline tubing in place with an airline holder. The Doctors Foster and Smith Acclimation Kit is a convenient alternative that simplifies the drip acclimation process.

Begin a siphon by sucking on the end of the airline tubing you'll be placing into each of the buckets. When water begins flowing through the tubing, adjust the drip (by tightening one of the knots or adjusting the control valve) to a rate of about 2-4 drips per second (Fig. J).

When the water volume in the bucket doubles, discard half and begin the drip again until the volume doubles once more – about one hour.

At this point, the specimens can be transferred to the aquarium. Sponges, clams, and gorgonias should never be directly exposed to air. Gently scoop them out of the drip bucket with the specimen bag, making sure they’re fully covered in water. Submerge the bag underwater in the aquarium and gently remove the specimen from the bag. Next, seal off the bag underwater by twisting the opening, and remove it from the aquarium. Discard both the bag and the enclosed water. A tiny amount of the diluted water will escape into the aquarium; this is O.K. Also, to avoid damage, please remember never to touch the "fleshy" part of live coral when handling.
NOTE: Most invertebrates and marine plants are more sensitive than fish to changes in specific gravity. It is imperative to acclimate invertebrates to a specific gravity of 1.023-1.025 or severe stress or trauma may result. Test specific gravity with a hydrometer or refractometer.


Important Facts

Be patient - never rush the acclimation procedure. The total acclimation time for your new arrival should take no longer than one hour.

Always follow the acclimation procedure even if your new arrival appears to be dead. Some fish and invertebrates can appear as though they are dead when they arrive and will usually revive when the above procedure is followed correctly.

Never place an airstone into the shipping bag when acclimating your new arrival. This will increase the pH of the shipping water too quickly and expose your new arrival to lethal ammonia.

Keep aquarium lights off for at least four hours after the new arrival is introduced into the aquarium.

Most invertebrates and marine plants are more sensitive than fish to salinity changes. It is imperative to acclimate invertebrates to a specific gravity of 1.023-1.025 or severe stress or trauma may result.

Sponges, clams, scallops, and gorgonias should never be directly exposed to air. Follow the acclimation procedure, but instead of netting the specimen out of the shipping bag, submerge the bag underwater in the aquarium and remove the marine life from the bag. Seal off the shipping bag underwater by twisting the opening, and remove it from the aquarium. Discard both the shipping bag and the enclosed water. A tiny amount of the diluted shipping water will escape into the aquarium. Don't be alarmed; this will have no adverse affect on the tank inhabitants.

In some instances, your new tank mate will be chased and harassed by one or all of your existing tank mates.

Solution 1: A plastic spaghetti strainer (found at your local discount store) can be used to contain a tank bully within the aquarium for several hours until the new arrival adjusts to its surroundings. Just float the perforated plastic basket in the aquarium. Net the tank bully and place in the floating basket for approximately four hours while the new arrival adjusts to your aquarium. Never place the new arrival in this basket; the new specimen must get familiar with your aquarium. By placing the tank bully in a perforated basket, you'll reduce the stress on your newest tank mate.

Solution 2: A perforated plastic lighting grid can be purchased at your local hardware store to cut down the width of your aquarium. This grid may be used to section off a small portion of the aquarium to separate territorial or aggressive fish from the newest tank mate. After the new addition adjusts to the unfamiliar environment, the divider can be removed.

Some live corals produce excess slime when shipped. After the acclimation procedure is followed, hold the coral by the rock or skeletal base and gently shake the coral in the shipping bag before placing into the aquarium. To avoid damage, please remember never to touch the "fleshy" part of a live coral. Many species of coral will not open for several days after introduction into their new home. Please allow several days for the coral to adapt to the new conditions in the aquarium.


This is Kitty Kat's procedure:

My method for it is quite simple:
* add the fish and shop water to the bucket
* put a hiding place in the bucket, I sacrifice a couple of plant cuttings
(* I add a small heater to the bucket at this point, I use a NeWattino plus)
* set up the airline to drain water into bucket, I usually use 1 drop per 5 seconds to 5 drops per second, depending on how different the water parameters are
* once the bucket is full (so about 90-95% is tank water), remove the airline
* catch the fish out
* turn the net inside out just above the water, so the net doesn't tip into the water, but so the fish can't jump out either
* throw away water and sacrificial plants from the bucket
* disinfect the net and any sacrificial ornaments in the bucket
* rinse bucket and everything in it well

Do keep in mind that most people do not do anywhere near this much, but I am picky and the reason I almost never have any disease in my tanks.. to put this into perspective, I've been keeping fish for 13-15 years now (can't quite remember just now), I have had maybe 100 aquariums over the time.. at most I had over 30 at one time.. and last month was the first time I had to treat whitespot.
 
Did you do a water test when you spotted the dead fish in the tank, or did you remove them and test later? Since the majority of bacteria are held on the cermaic pieces in the 405 and not the sponges, i would hazard a guess that the sponges might not be able to cope with the influx of several fish at once and an ammonia spike could have knocked them off? Its just a shot in the dark really :eek:

I have checked the ammonia and nitrite levels twice per day since having the tank (so both before and after the fish died), and they have never gone above 0.0 - thanks for the suggestion, but it appears the media is fine.

I will try a few more fish and use the drip method.

No idea what to do if that doesn't work...will keep the thread updated.
 
Other than acclimating I don't see what else has been done "wrong", as it were (not meaning for that to sound like I'm getting at you, what I mean is that the only thing I would change is the acclimation method - everything else has been spot on!)

However, do bear in mind that simply by buying the fish you're taking a risk - you can't know everything that's happened to them. They may have been bullied in store, have had a knock during transport to the store, any number of things, before you actually purchased them, that could have lead to their deaths while in your tank. If you've done all you can then the likelihood is that it wasn't something you did.

ETA: did you clean the tank before you filled it? If so, what with? Is it possible some kind of contaminant has gotten in it?
 
Other than acclimating I don't see what else has been done "wrong", as it were (not meaning for that to sound like I'm getting at you, what I mean is that the only thing I would change is the acclimation method - everything else has been spot on!)

However, do bear in mind that simply by buying the fish you're taking a risk - you can't know everything that's happened to them. They may have been bullied in store, have had a knock during transport to the store, any number of things, before you actually purchased them, that could have lead to their deaths while in your tank. If you've done all you can then the likelihood is that it wasn't something you did.

ETA: did you clean the tank before you filled it? If so, what with? Is it possible some kind of contaminant has gotten in it?


The tank was cleaned with vinegar and plain water, then thoroughly rinsed with water. The same was done with the filter and heater. The media came directly from my established tank.

I am just about to add a single platy into the tank (only a single one as I don't want to experiment on multiple fish).

Tank Water Stats before adding fish
Ammonia: 0.0
Nitrite: 0.0
Nitrates: 10
Ph: 8.0


Water Stats of bagged water from LFS
Ammonia: 0.0
Nitrite: 0.0
Nitrates: 20
Ph: 7.8

I am acclimitizing the fish according to Kitty's method.

Will let you know how it goes.
 
how's it going with the fish?


Thanks for asking. The fish seems to be doing well at the moment, no bad signs at all. Though in previous cases there were no signs until 6 to 12 hours later. I will post again in the morning with an update.
 
I've removed the posts from this topic that don't pertain to New fish dying... Let's stay on topic!

Thanks for your cooperation...

Yes, keep us posted.
 
So this morning I found the second guppy dead. Which now makes a total of nine lost fish.

The platy that I put in the tank yesterday and acclimitized according to Kitty's method is constantly resting on the bottom of the tank...which isn't looking good. However the guppies were breathing rapidly before they died, where as the platy is breathing normally.

I am considering getting out my hospital tank, and transfering the platy into that to see if it makes any difference. At this point I am starting to think there is something wrong with the new tank itself.
 
Hmm, it does sound very suspicious. What tank is it, and what's it made from? Can you take a picture or post a link?

How much did you rinse it after cleaning it? Have you done any water changes since adding the fish? You could try a large water change and see if that perks the platy up a bit?

Ps what are you test results this morning, I'm sure someone else will want to know so you may as well post them :)

It's very odd... :unsure: :unsure: :huh:
 
Yes, it's very strange indeed. This morning test results are:

Ammonia: 0.0
Nitrite: 0.0
Ph: 8.0

I've now moved the platy and cory into a spare tank, and after about 2 minutes from getting over the surprise of being moved, the platy has started swimming around the tank happy as larry.

This is the tank: http://www.coopet.co.uk/site/prodinfo.php?id=214&cat=aquatic

I phoned Pets at Home and told them about the situation, they said that if a water test checks out ok they are happy to refund on the tank. So looks like that is what I will be doing.
 

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