New Filter, Old Tank

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hey guys, just bought an eheim external filter from scouse andy on here, well happy.
The filter is for my 183 litre 5ft tank which I cant set up until I move house on 16th, my question is this......

if when it arrives I run the eheim on my curretn 80 litre tank which is curently being filtered by an elite stingray filter, firstly, will it affect my curent tank?? nd secondly will it mean that it will start building up bacteria on the filter media meaning that once I then fill the big tank and hook the filter up to it, will it be cycled a week or so more quickly????

many thanks

Stu
 
yeah that should work fine, i plan to do the same thing with mine, as long as you don't leave it too long before adding fish
 
If no fish in the tank keep adding some flakes daily to keep the bacteria alive.
 
You could also vac the bottom of your old tank and add the 'crap' to the new one....as well as wilders idea of adding food.
 
so basically by running it on my existing tank im effectively cycling the filter, if I run it on there until the 16th, then move house, fill the new tank, attach the filter and then throw in say my corys and barbs, then it will be cycled and ready to rehome the rest of the fish pretty sharpish??
obviuosly I will keep an eye on water params, I take it no need too add ammonia then??

sorry if im going over old ground, just wanna get it all right
 
Yes, you could.

However....be careful how long the filter is disconnected while you are moving.

It should be fine if it is left with tank water in it for an hour as long as the temperature doesn't go down too far (don't put it down outside while you are moving).

The idea would be to have it not-running for as short a time as possible.....then ensure when you put the tank in place at your new place, put water conditioner in so that you don't kill the beneficial bacteria with chlorine-laden water.
 
of course, I was planning on moving EVERYTHING then coming back once I had finished with housework too mvoe the tank and filters so that I could set it up straight away at the new place which is only 10 mins away.

I was planning on catching all the fish and bagging them, taking out 80%of the water and keeping 1 bucket of it with the filter(s) sat in it, then when I got too new place set up my existing tank again and refill it with the bucket of orig water and some new fresh water and run both filters on it until I had set up the new tank, filled it with dechlorinated water and was ready too filter it........
 
You are pretty much spot on mate, you're not going to have any trouble. The essential point is to always keep the fish and the filtration together.

You're missing a trick though with your plan. You have the ideal opportunity to make upgrading tanks and moving house really easy (the two things work so well together).

Just get the new tank filled, dechlorinated, and heated in advance in the new place (even if that's in the morning on the day of the move).

Bag the fish all up, move them and the filters without any messing about, and simply start floating the fish in the nice warm new water in the new tank as you get them there. Hook up the filters on the new tank, and get them going straight away. After the fish are acclimatised, just pour them all in.

Et voila, job done. You can then strip down the old tank at the old place at your leisure. No messing about with setting up old tanks at the new place or any of that malarkey, or any cycling/ammonia.

Just ensure you move all the fish and all the filters in one go, keeping them together at all times, and it'll be cool.

Personally I'd run the two filters side by side permanently just in case you need to set up a hospital/quarantine tank pretty sharpish for any reason (assuming you're keeping the old tank as an emergency tank)?

Ps. My mrs used to live on Torwood Road, I know TQ1 well.

Pps. Look in that other thread I posted in today for a link to my thread showing precisely the above in action.
 
wicked!! sounds like a plan! my only slight concern is that the new filter im expectig too arrive by the weekend will only have been running on my current tank for approx 5-7 days so surely it wont be cycled enough???
 
Mate your current filter is handling all your bioload. When you add a new filter, what happens is that bacteria start to colonise it. At the same time as this happens, there is a precisely equal die off of bacteria in your old filter. At every stage, and no matter how much bacteria is in either filter, the one thing that you know for sure is that the total amount of filtration will always match exactly the needs of the tank.

Therefore, it doesn't matter how ready your new filter is, provided you move both filters (i.e. follow the most important rule- keep the filtration and the fish together).

Longer term the idea behind upgrading filters is that eventually there will be equilibrium between the filters. I submit that this takes about 3 weeks, but you can speed it up (by putting media from the old filter into the new one). At this point, your new filter nay only be supporting 2/3 of the tank's bioload- but the important thing is that there is enough of a colony that when you switch off the old filter it can multiply quickly enough to take up the increase in bioload.

What I recommended (and what I would do) is that you keep both filters running. The advantage of this (aside from the fact you have more filtration), is that if/when you either get new fish, or a fish falls ill/gets injured, all you need to do is get the old tank out of the shed, fill it with water/heat it (have you got a spare heater? Buy one if not), and move the little filter over with the new/ill fish. The big filter will be more than capable of taking the bioload of the main tank, and your quarantine/hospital tank will have a working cycled filter in it from the word go. (Nb: If you do move the little filter over to treat an ill fish, do not then put the filter back on the main tank without either changing media, or boiling the media you have. You don't want to introduce infection to the main tank that way)!

For the record, I never used to bother with quarantine. Then I read a thread on here about some poor girl who wiped out her entire tank with a new fish that was carrying something. I then started being more vigilant about quarantining new fish as a result. Now I don't know what fish you have, but in a 5 footer I guess it's going to be a decent stock list. Consider the hassle and the financial impact of total tank meltdown. You have been presented here with both the opportunity (i.e suddenly having a spare tank and two filters), and the technical/procedural advice (in this post) to introduce proper quarantining measures, if you do not already have them in place.

Hope that doesn't sound too preachy mate, I would just hate to see someone else go through what that poor person in that thread I saw go through!
 
Thats great, thanks v much jules, hitting a slight snag at present in as much as the house move has melted the bank card so i have no hood, which i was going 2 make, and no light, if u think i can get away without these 4 a few weeks then its full steam ahead, otherwise it will be a case of running both filters on the current tank 4 a few weeks which isnt a big prob. thanks v much 4 ur help jules.
 
You can get away without hood and lights for a few weeks if you want to. You could get a pair of bits of wood about the same length as the width of the tank, place them over the tank about as far apart as the length of the old tank, and use the old hood and light resting on top of them for a couple of weeks. Or as you say you can just move them over later. Let me/us know how you get on.
 

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