Nematoda

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I think my angels have Nematoda (threadworms). :-( They have worms hanging from their anus.
Is there any way to treat it without medication? There doesn't exist any medication for it over here. :/

Here's a pic of it :(
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Tank's 75 litres, with only the angels in atm (SAE died because of threadworms not so long ago and then I started to notice them on the angels...)
pH is 7 atm
Everything looking fine except for the angels!
 
You have to be 100% positive its worms and not just white or different coloured poo. The angels are gorgeous by the way.
Do the worms move and go back in?
 
They are hard to cure and do alot of damage to fish, as they cause bacterial problems, there is one med but it hard to get hold off.

Have pemission to use this info below.


I've been derelict in my duty--I really meant to post a sticky about internal parasites long before this, and I've been so busy lately I just haven't gotten it done. Part of the problem is that I need to rewrite it, because right at the moment, levamisole is almost impossible to get, unfortunately. There is only one manufacturer producing it, and they're having financial problems and have suspended production; I sure hope it's just temporary, because levamisole is still the best, widest spectrum and most nontoxic dewormer you can use on tropical fish. IF you can get levamisole, and that's a big if right now, this is what I do:

If they’re eating, I use a ColorBits cocktail, which consists of ColorBits soaked in metronidazole and levamisole, two broad spectrum antiparasitics and antihelminthics. I get the 5 gram vials of pure metronidazole that Foster & Smith sells. It comes with a little spoon (just like the kinds that come in SeaChem water test kits). I use Tetra ColorBits because it holds together better than flakes do and it’s easy to mix. Take off the cap, put one spoonful of metronidazole and one spoonful of levamisole (available in powder from most vets, one brand name is Levasole); add about a teaspoonful of water and mix as thoroughly as you can. Add enough ColorBits to the cap to soak up all the water; mix thoroughly. One capful of this is enough for me to deworm all my tanks, which I do on a regular basis, about every 3 or 4 months; I also do any new fish I purchase while they're still in quarantine. Just feed as much as you can fit on the end of your finger. After you’ve done it a couple of times, you can easily judge how much to put in. Both of these meds are very nontoxic, but be careful if you have shrimp; you don’t want them chowing down on it. Most antiparasitic medications will kill shrimp. I’ve used the cocktail in a tank with wood shrimp with no problems, but they don't generally scavenge the bottom for food. This may sound complicated but once you’ve done it once there’s nothing to it, and the results are pretty amazing, especially when you realize fish that you thought were perfectly healthy are throwing all kinds of worms.

If they’re not eating, you can treat the water with Levamisole. It’s most effective at a ph below neutral, so if necessary you can kick up your CO2 to bring it down a little, or put a bottle on your quarantine tank if necessary. Mix ¼ teaspoon per 10 gallons in a cup or so of tank water to dissolve, and then pour into the tank. After 24 hours, do a big water change, at least 50%, and the following day do another one; this will help get rid of expelled worms and any eggs or cysts. After you’ve done two water changes, the fish should begin to eat normally and put weight back on. If it DOESN’T work, you may need to try another antihelminthic like piperazine or metronidazole or both, but levamisole is effective against a pretty wide variety of organisms, and is particularly good for everything that most commonly troubles cichlids. I have never used this treatment on shrimp and would be leery of doing so; however, it doesn’t seem to have any impact on snails.

If you CAN'T get Levamisole, one thing you could use instead is DiscoMed, a medication made by AquaTronics. It contains metronidazole, levamisole and nitrafurazone, and you can also soak their food in it and feed it that way, or treat the water if they're not eating; there are directions right on the medication. Piperazine is also a good option--it's readily available most places as Pipzine, also from AquaTronics.
 
I will check if I can find those, but I'm not very optimistic about getting them though.. Fish aren't considered "nessesary" to treat over here on Iceland (all vets here only specialize in dogs, cats and horses).
But I know of one store that sells Cupramine, which is something that should kill internal parasites.

I don't want to lose my angels, I've had the black one for over 1 and a half year now. :(


You have to be 100% positive its worms and not just white or different coloured poo. The angels are gorgeous by the way.
Do the worms move and go back in?

Well, I'm pretty sure that's not poo although it doesn't move. It are a few red stripes, which have kind of white hairs or something on them. It's about probably 1 and a half millimeters thick all in all, atleast on the marble angel.
They've had it for over a day now, too.
 
The white hairs do they look like nylon with a forked tail.
You can usually see a parasite dangling from there anus, usually red, also other signs are a fish going thin, or being bloated, red inflamed large anus.

Look at the pics of worms.
http://www.2cah.com/pandora/Disease.html#Worm
 
The angels are getting a bit bloated above the anus.

Looks very similar to this picture, which the fish has roundworms (aint that the same as Nematoda?)

camallanus_kevinpiper.jpg
 
Yes it does sound like internal parasites if they have a bulging at the anus, are they males or females, as the only other thing i can think of is eggs and i doubt that, still nasty and i think you still use the same med.
 
I don't know which sex they are. They have never layed eggs.
I will just have to jump around town tomorrow to try and find something to help my little fellows. (since everything's closed right now :( )
 
Ok, sorry not nice had them and lost fish, so know how you feel, good luck.
 
Good luck, if you are able t get the med, look out for bacterial infections, as most of the time the parasites have already done to much damage to the fish insides.
 
I would think you should be able to find some levamisole even though they don't have many fish supplies around there. It is used also to rid parasites in pigs, etc., by adding it to their drinking water. You may still be able to get some by talking to a vet.
 
Ah, well, I found some powder Metradinazole here atleast. I will try and find the levamisole if I can.
 

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