My Tank 120X50X40

sorry i didn't move this earlier Aquamaniac, regarding the TPN+, we normally give a guide of a mil per 20 litres of water. Thats a lot for a 240. It would be cheaper for you to go down the EI route of fertilisers.

http://www.theplantedtank.co.uk/EI.htm

ps the tank looks great and when it grows in will look really good!

Thanks ianho.
So far its been 5ml a day since saturday. The plants are growing faster and better. Apart from a couple of green spot on the glass no algae.Did a water change today. If i start noticing its too much or too less i'll change the dosage.
As for the EI route of fertilizers its in plans to go that route in a near future. But since i wasn't experienced with liquid fertilizing i't looked easier to start with TPN+ and then change for a more advanced form of fertilizing.
 
Hello

I need some advice.
My co2 is now up and running.And i want to start fertilizing tomorrow.
I don't have much experience with liquid fertilizers so to start i'm using the Tropica nutrition plus.
I am thinking to do a daily fertilization instead of weekly.With to small (25%) water changes per week instead of one big one (50%).
My doubts is how much should i dose?
In the box says add 5ml a week per 50l of water. wich means for a 240 litre tank like mine i should use 25 ml a week yes? Is that ok,too much or less.

I apreciate if someone can help.


Tank is looking good mate, new video shows a nice clean healthy looking tank :).


For the ferts.... i would be inclined to dose daily at around 5ml to start with and see how it goes (this is considered quite a low dose). If the plants look like the are still struggling.. up the dosage a little more and so on.

How are you measuring the amount of co2 into the tank?.... getting a nice balance of co2, ferts and flow with the current lighting your using is the most important factor to a successful tank.

I would also be inclined to add an extra powerhead to the tank... from experience the fluval 305 isn't sufficient for a 125 litre tank never mind a 240l planted tank. Adding this will aid a better distribution of ferts and co2 ensuring all plants and tank is saturated. Before all this though, you need some method of measuring co2 levels... a drop checker is the most accurate way of doing this.


Excellent start though mate and keep up the good work :good:

Thanks fishyjake13.
Currently i'm not measuring,i'm starting the co2 one hour before my light comes on and shutting off one hour before the light goes of. But a drop checker is in my plans for the future.
Fertilizing as said before right now is TPN+, but later i'll go the EI fertilizing route.
As for the extra powerhead its been in plan since the early beginning. First because i noted early on this 305 sometimes struggles,the tank has a unique design, it has 2 holes in the base from were the inflow and outflow go to the filter. The hoses connect to the base of the tank and the ouflow is not located on near the gravel,(wich i think its were is more effective, its about 30 cm high so it's not helping much to keep the gravel free of debris. Also i been planning on a second powerhead to be cautious,if one fails there will be another to keep the tank going. Had problems in the past with faulty filters.

I'll keep posting updates as they happen. Today i finally cut the wood loose from the rocks,it doesn't float anymore so i finally got to set it up as part of the layout. With some plants growing around it i think it will look nice. However this change of the wood is not on the video.
 
Im really liking this, it has ahuge impact even tho its still growing in an quite young.
 
Hello

Here i am again for a new update on the tank.

- Been fertilizing 5ml of TPN+ a day for one week now
- C02 back up and running for one week.

Results:

- The plants are growing much faster than the 2 weeks i've been without co2. But they are not growing as fast as before my algae bloom. I suspect that the difference is due to having cut from 216 watts light to 108 watts.

- Some minor algae problems in glasses and rocks.Nothing that the ottos and some cleaning from me did not solve.

-Some plants,especially the limnophila aromatica are showing some lack of nutrients.
This is actually the plant that's been growing better and faster but some leaves i noticed today have a faded green color,more closer to yellow than green.Its hardly noticeable and the plant looks really healthy but it's there.Also this plant should turn red with higher light the fact that its green now,and before was purple red tells me that this plant was happy with the 216 watts.

- Other plants are growing fine.

-The fish are doing really good,feeding well,the angelfish ask for food as soon i they see me in front of the tank.
I had no major concerns with them this week.

Where to go from here:

- There are couple of things i plan to add to the setup in the next couple of weeks if possible:

1- A drop checker - at this moment i have no way to figure out if i'm dosing too much co2 or too less. So this one is important.
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I choosed this one from Aqua essentials.

2- A buble counter - i could probably do the job just with the drop checker,but i'll add in this one for more precision.
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This one

3- A second filter - I've chosen the EHEIM 2215+.
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This one.All my external canisters so far were fluval and i'm happy with them,but want to try something diferent this time.

-First because the water circulation that my 305 is giving does not seem to be that good

-Second because the 305 outflow pipe is 30 cm high in the tank,it cannot be moved to be closer to the gravel. So i've been noticing that my gravel special the planted area are full of debris,that the filter is not picking up. I hope that adding a second filter with the outflow closer to the gravel will help sorting this out.

- Third because i had problems in the past with faulty filters,and to be cautious i want to have a extra one.

4- I will soon enough go for the Estimative index fertilizing. Not 100% happy with the TPN+ so it's time to go for the more advanced stuff.

5- Maybe some more fish. Been thinking RAM cichlids but have to look at my PH now.If its still too high i'll go for something else. Or use some peat moss to try to lower my PH so i can go for the RAM. But i don't like to have brown or yellow water so i still haven't decided on this one.

I'll post some pictures and videos soon hopefully with some of these upgrades up and running.
 
Nice to see everything fairly well mate :good:

4- I will soon enough go for the Estimative index fertilizing. Not 100% happy with the TPN+ so it's time to go for the more advanced stuff.


You might find it's because your under dosing... try upping the dosage and see how they go.

EI method isn't really anything more advanced, chemicals that are used are the same pretty much... the only difference is the method of dosing.

It does work out alot cheaper though :)
 
Just a quick note on the bubble counter you are thinking of getting, i had one and it was always pushing the water up the pipe so i had to refill all the time. I would go for one like this, http://www.aquaessentials.co.uk/fluval-co2-bubble-counter-88-p-5847.html

LP
 
Just a quick note on the bubble counter you are thinking of getting, i had one and it was always pushing the water up the pipe so i had to refill all the time. I would go for one like this, http://www.aquaessentials.co.uk/fluval-co2-bubble-counter-88-p-5847.html

LP

thanks alot.
That was actually my first choice untill i found the other one. i thought it looked better.
But its efficiency i want. Will definitely go for your sugestion.
 
Nice to see everything fairly well mate :good:

4- I will soon enough go for the Estimative index fertilizing. Not 100% happy with the TPN+ so it's time to go for the more advanced stuff.


You might find it's because your under dosing... try upping the dosage and see how they go.

EI method isn't really anything more advanced, chemicals that are used are the same pretty much... the only difference is the method of dosing.

It does work out alot cheaper though :)
Thanks

I will up the dosage and see how it goes.
Still i'll try the EI route. It's cheaper as you said.
 
Here's a new video of the tank made today.

Some updates:
1- Added Myriophyllum matogrossense in the background of the right hand side.
2- Added Pogostemon erectus on the middleground of the right and side.
3- The diplidis diandra was not looking so good. The new growth was great but the old one in the shadow was changing for a dark color (i read its normal in this plant),didn't look so good so i did some trimming,removed the stems and leaves that looked to be rotting and replanted the new growth.
4- Some minor arranjements here and there
5- Increased TPN+ to 10 ml a day,increased flow of co2,increased light to 4x54 watts.I know i shouldn't but i really liked the fast growth i was having with them before.(problem was really the algae).
Now that the tank is more stable i'll give it a try and see if there's no algae growth this time.The tank is also far more planted than before.

And here's the video,hope you guys like it.

 
Hi again

Its time for some update's and some pictures. But first its time for me to review this last two months since i started my tank.

I started planning this tank 4 months ago. And looking back at this time, specially the time the tanks as been running i can cleary say that despite all my researching a planning,alot of mistakes were made,some that could easily have been avoided.
In my plan (if a perfect tank existed),that would have been mine, But time showed me that i'm not ready for great looking and awesome planted tanks. So i now see this project of mine as a Test Tank,where i will experimente as much as possible in order to be more experienced when i go in to future scapes.

Most of my planning and research before the tank was about equipment and setup of the tank. In what regards to that i think i was able to make a very decent setup.It may not be the best out there but is more than adequate for a HIGH TECH, HIGH LIGHT TANK.
The problems started when the time came to put that equipment to good use.After i got the materials,and equipment i was very impatient to get it working,and did not gave myself enough time to get everything i needed ready.

Here's some of my mistakes, i put them here so that other people don't do the same,even though my impatience made me do some embarrassing beginner mistakes.

- Not enough planning as to what type of scape - I had an idea for a scape since the beggining in my head but i did not bother (big mistake) to put it on paper and either by not having the right plants,or hardscape for my plans my current tank is nothing similar to my first ideas. Because of that i'm still mostly improvising as i go along,and i'm still strugling to find a balance between my first idea,and my current failure in turning it to reality.

My lesson from it and suggestion for anyone that wants to go for planted tanks is, take as much time as needed to plan your scape. Put your ideas in paper,or any other means you find helpful to prevent future problems. Make sure that when you start you have everything you need for your project, its harder to do major adjustments after the tank is running.

- I made a mistake calculating how much akadama the tank would need - I think underestimated the size of the tank. After a few days of the tank running i had to add more akadama to a already working tank. IT WAS MESSY. (this is an embarrassing mistake,just make sure you got everything ok before you flood the tank).

- The 2 pieces of wood i kept under water for 2 weeks before i started the tank were still floating and not ready to be used - They broke free even after i attached them to some rocks. So i gave up on them,and kept them aside for later.
Th problem is from this 2 pieces, i totally gave up on one and the other even though its not floating anymore,i'm having a hard time with a way to fit it to the scape now that the plants have spread.
I should have started only when everything was ready for it.

- Too much light or not enough plants - My plans for this tank is a high light,high tech, i know i was warned that algae soup was a possibility. But i've seen some successfull tanks out there. I'd like my tank to be one of them one day.
Unfortunately my review for this start is algae soup as some people warned me.
I started with 216 watts of light (0,8watts/litre more or less),it was a big mistake. I did not have enough plants to start with. I couldn't find all the plants i wanted in my LFS so i decided to start with just the ones i had and all that light and only a few bunch of plants could only mean something.

My lesson, either you cut down your light in the beginning or you start heavy planted and i mean really heavy.

- The wrong plants - I did research on the plants,but because most of them were not available i got some other ones from wich i did not knew nothing of. And some of them not the easiest ones.

Never to much to say it, Better planning, research the right plants before start and stick to your plan. Improvising is a bad idea.

- Fertilizing - Apart from fertile soil i did not plan for fertilizing. I always left it for when it was needed. Don't do this plan ahead do not wait untill your plants are strugling for nutrients.

Ok its a long post already so this my assessment of the tank today:

- Its working with hight light 4x54 watts. And as got algae. Not out of control algae like before but they are there,and affecting the way some plants look.

Eliocharis parvula : Most of it died in my algae bloom a month ago,there's still a bit here and there but my idea of a carpet failed. I have plans to try again.

Bacopa australis,cabomba,egeria densa,valisneria gigantea,Myriophyllum matogrossense,pogostemon erectus - These plants are growing fast and they look healthy. But some of them do show traces of brown algae that prevent them from looking at their best.

Limnophila aromatica - This plant looks great, fast growing,with the high light back up again its starting to change color to purple/red on the top. But i still see some of the lower leaves with a more yellow green colour,then a healthy green.

Blyxa - Growing faster now with the light, i just did not have enough to start with or it could have spread. But its still covered with some brown algae.

Diplidis diandra - This is the worst plant. It grows fast but it looks ugly, dark brown, covered with algae and debris. Some of the leafs are either dying or yellow.Only the new growth is green.

I've been fertilizing 15 ml daily of TPN+ had to increase it again,anything before that there was some clear signs of something missing.I just don't know what is missing.
I already ordered the dry salts as soon as they arrive i'll go for the EI route. TPN+ is getting expensive.

I currently have algae:

Black brush algae – I have this one on the wood,on the edge of the older valis leaves and in one of the rocks.
Blue green algae or cyanobacteria – I have this one on the gravel at the front of the tank.
Diatoms or brown algae – I have this one on some of the plants and rocks
Green dust algae – I have this one on the glasses specially both of the side glasses.
Green spot algae – Also on the glasses.

The tank as looked better, and I can point out some probable reasons as to why:

My fertilizing method with TPN+ as been disastrous. I started 5ml a day,then 10ml and currently 15ml.
The tank being working with high light again for more than a week now.
My water change system was every 2 days between 30% and 50%, but I cut it down to only one 50% a week.
Some imbalance in nutrients that i'm not aware.
Probably my water circulation is not good enough

The fish are fine,no major worries with them except on what to add next.

Its been a long post but the purpose of this journal is to share my experiences with this tank,not just my sucesses and beautiful pictures also my mistakes and failures, hopefully someone besides me will learn from them.

As to the current situation if anyone can give advice i'll be glad to take them, I know the first advice will be cut the light again, its the wise way to do it. If anyone with experience in high light tank can give any advice I appreciate it.

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One of my rocks full of algae

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Some blue green algae also know as cyanobacteria

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Sorry about the quality. But is enough to see that the plants are growing,but in the middle we have brown algae.

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Here you can see the diplidis diandra and how bad it looks. Unfortunately the bad quality of the camera makes it look better than the real thing.

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Here you can notice the algae on the back glass,the limnophila aromatica that actually looks quite nice,the plant between it and diplidis diandra to this day i do not know its name but just like the diplidis its suffering from the same problems.

I know the pictures are not the best and there's no picture of the full tank, i'll put a video ASAP, i did not have enough time today and i wanted to focus on the problems the tank is currently facing.

If reached here once again thanks for reading.
 
a nice read Aquamaniac, and nice to see that you are realising where you are slipping up in some areas. Maybe the gas needs upping and the flow needs some fiddling with...stick with it!
 
a nice read Aquamaniac, and nice to see that you are realising where you are slipping up in some areas. Maybe the gas needs upping and the flow needs some fiddling with...stick with it!

Thanks ianho.I will stick with it. Its been a challenge, i had planted tanks in the past but maybe because co2 was not pressurized i never faced algae problems. Or maybe i was just lucky. I find it strange that my previous tank was also high light and it did not gave this troubles.
Anyway i been checking the composition of TPN+ and it only has 0,10% of Potassium, could this be the nutrient missing here?i read somewhere yesterday that TPN+ usually causes potassium deficiencies.
The co2 flow is currently 4 bubbles per second,installed bubble counter yesterday.
But the water circulation i think needs to be improved.
Anyway i'll get the hang of it with time.
 
you may find that it was because the light wasn't so intense in the past. A few years ago planted tank keepers wanted to push the lighting as much as they could, this would lead to no end of algae problems. Is there any way of removing a tube from you lighting, i think it'll be so much more manageable for you. Just remember higher light means faster growth, lower light means slower growth. It just leaves more room for error having high light. As i suspect you're seeing now. If you have enough light to grow algae, you have enough to grow plants.
 
you may find that it was because the light wasn't so intense in the past. A few years ago planted tank keepers wanted to push the lighting as much as they could, this would lead to no end of algae problems. Is there any way of removing a tube from you lighting, i think it'll be so much more manageable for you. Just remember higher light means faster growth, lower light means slower growth. It just leaves more room for error having high light. As i suspect you're seeing now. If you have enough light to grow algae, you have enough to grow plants.

Come to think of it you're right.My previous tank was 1watt/litre but it was t8. Now is around 0,8 watts/litre but it T5 and to my knowledge they are far more intense and efficient than T8.
Cutting the light is very easy in my setup, it has 4x54 watts,but i can run with only 2x54 at a press of a button. I did that before when the algae was out of control and i couldn't even see inside of the tank.
I just made the mistake of thinking i could control it now that the tank is more stable. I was wrong. With T5 its just to much light for my tank.

Thanks for the advice Ianho.
 

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