thanks guys, pretty cool story dude, i have heard a couple of storys of Midas cichlids taking on P's and also killing them but its the first time ive heard of one in with a pack of them! goes to show there not to be messed with lol. one guy on cichlidmadness had a 100g divided with a barred midas on one side and a RBP on the other side, he said the P would always snap at the midas and try to get to him then one day when he got home from work he found the divder knocked down and the midas swmming around beaten up pretty bad, he looked for the P and found it dead near the filter tube ripped up lol.