My Cats Just Come Back From The Vets.

Do you think animals should be neutered or spayed?

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I think its a good idea to spay and neuter all your pets with the exception of rodents/hamsters/birds/and fish because the more un-cared for babies the more babies will die. Pets aren't as humans so its in there nature to breed themselves. They don't know whats happening to the world when they do but if they did they would propably want themselves spayed. The vet prices are going down because of this, so more people will offord to spay there pets instead of using the excuse to not do it because they dont have money. We spend more money on ourselves then on pets so we should at least help them by not letting them make more babies. :thumbs:
 
We spend more money on ourselves then on pets
You think we should spend more money on our pets? 15k a year on a kitty. :rolleyes:
but if they did they would propably want themselves spayed.
I have to disagree. I know my friends dog Shadow will hump anything that moves.
We can't speak for animals. Its all nice and dandy to get them...well, get their baby maker taken out..or just nurtralized.
 
Yeah, I don't think they exactly want to get spayed. I know when we took my grandmothers cat to the vet I looked at him and said 'sorry buddy, but we have to get you snipped'. No sooner did I say that then his eyes got huge, and he freaked out in the carrier till the door busted open and he took off into the woods.

Needless to say, after we rescheduled the appointment I kept my mouth shut. -_-
 
They don't know what's going to happen to them when you take them to the vet to snipped, as much as you'd like to make it more dramatic by pretending they do, and I seriously doubt they notice the behavioural difference in themselves afterwards. It's not like they're impotent and thinking "well gee, I sure wish I could get laid :(" The drive just isn't there anymore, and if it is, they're still capable of taking care of it. All they're losing is some of their sex drive and their ability to reproduce... along with the chance of getting several types of cancer, and if they're male, some of their aggressive tendencies towards other males that could get them seriously hurt were they to get in a fight. Before we got the chance to have our golden retriever fixed she went into her first heat and one of our neighbor's little dachshunds got so severely injured by another dog that he had to be put down. Our stupid neighbors didn't see the need to get their male dogs neutered, so every intact male within a half a mile radius flocked to our house and had fights in our backyard.

Like Arrowhead said, they don't know what's going on, but if they did they would probably want themselves spayed/neutered, because it is really the best thing for their overall health.
 
Exactly! It's one thing if a dog knows what "Walk" means but that's my association. You can't say, "Want to go get neutered?" The dog wouldn't know what it means. Now saying "Vet" is possible to associate with the vet's office, but not being neutered.

And a little stat here. Dogs that are not neutered or spayed are 3 times more likely to bite than dogs that are. Their hormonal surges cease. I might have said that before. Oh well, you'll all remember by repitition then.
 
You can't say, "Want to go get neutered?" The dog wouldn't know what it means.
I love messing with dogs before they learn what "bath" means... saying it in a really enthusiastic tone so they think something good is about to happen.

"You wanna take a bath?? Oh you do??? Yes! Yes let's go take a bath!!! Oh boy!" :lol:
 
Frankie has had his check up and has recovered fine from his snip (so to speak):D

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Glad to hear your kitten recovered well, and thankyou for doing the right thing ^^


I'm alarmed that anyone here polled in as being against spay and nueter; I strongly doubt that we have 3 AKC dog breeders and showers on this board. What is the possible disadvantage, aside from a minor routine surgical risk? Please, people declaw, crop, and dock, exposing the animal to surgical risks with absolutely no health benefit every day, yet when you ask them to do something that could help a pet live longer, its suddenly an issue.
Dogs and cats spayed prior to their first heat have almost no incidence of mammary cancer whatsoever. Dogs who are never spayed pretty much will get mammary cancer. The chance of uterine or ovarian cancer is eliminated by spaying. Dogs and cats who are spayed will never suffer a false pregnancy, which can lead to pyometria, a potentially fatal infection of the uterus. Cats will be less likely to get FIV, as it primarily is spread through mating and fights over mating and territory. Spayed animals roam less, which could save them from being hit by a car, lost, or stolen. And, unwanted pregnancies which add to a burgeoning stray crisis will not happen with a spayed or neutered pet.
Dogs and cats who are nuetered young seldom develop unfavorable behaviors like marking, territorial fighting, roaming to seek females, and male-male agression. The chance of testicular cancer is eliminated, the risk of prostate cancer is reduced, and the chance of perianal hernia is also reduced. Nuetered cats are much less likely to end up with abcesses and fight wounds, as well as diseases like FIV. Neutered dogs are typically less agressive and less territorial, which means a decreased bite risk. Both will not roam as much, which again reduced the risk of being injured. And your males will not be impregnating other unsterilized animals; just because the pregnant dog isn't yours doesn't mean you aren't completely, equally responsible.

Spay and nueter does NOT change your dog's personality significantly. It only reduces/eliminates gender-specific behaviors, which are by and large completely unfavorable, and potentially dangerous to your pet's health. Rover will still be playful Rover, just without attacking every intact dog that walks by. Whiskers will still be friendly Whiskers, but without shoving her rump in your face and screeching half the year.

Spay and nueter does NOT post nearly as serious a risk to your pet's health as keeping him/her intact does.

Spay and nueter does NOT make your dog overweight! Overfeeding and inadequately exersizing does.

Dogs and cats do not know much of anything is different. Animals under anesthesia have no recollection of what happened, and because thier concept of gender identity is relatively limited, they aren't going to feel like less of a male or female because of missing parts; dogs and cats are not people, so no, they don't have self esteem and aren't self pitying. You're anthropomorphising if you think a dog seriously sits around and contemplates his lacking testicles, wondering if 'the guys' will make fun of him and thinking of never being able to get laid again. Hell, if you're that worried, buy nueticals, non-toxic artificial testicals so your dog still feels something bouncing around between his legs.

Finally, for those of you saying dogs and cats should be allowed to mate at will, l ask you this:
- Is mating really a choice for dogs and cats, or something they are merely instinctively driven to do? The fact that they only mate while in heat (yes, I know male dogs hump things, but it is a to relieve a mating drive, not because they're enjoying it) suggests they are not doing it for pleasure.
- Isn't it much more inhibiting to a dog or cat to leave it with mating organs and thus, a sex drive, and deprive it from mating because you don't want a litter, than to remove the mating organs so there is no sex drive? I think a nuetered dog is much better off in regards to sexual frustration than an un-nuetered one, because he doesn't still have the urge to mate.
 
Bravo RandomWiktor, well said!
 
Thanks ^^

Just to add a few more interesting statistics:

More than 70% of all bite cases involve dogs that have not been spayed or neutered

In the past 5 years 94% of fatal attacks involved dogs that were not spayed or neutered

4-6 million homeless and abandoned pets are euthanized every year in the United States out of the 8-10 million surrendered to shelters annually.

70,000 kittens and puppies are born every day in the United States.

One in ever four shelter cats is killed daily due to a lack of room for new arrivals

The estimated number of feral cats in the USA is currently ~60 million. (If you care at all about wildlife, this should concern you very, very much, as cats kill millions of wild animals - including endangered bird species - every year. A single feral cat may kill over 300 wild animals a year, according to several studies)

Using the math that one cat can produce three litters yearly, with an average litter size of 4-6 kittens, a pair of cats and all of thier offspring can produce literally tens of thousands of cats in a 7 year breeding life. Dogs can breed twice annually with litter sizes of 6-10 puppies. In short, even a few unspayed dogs and cats and their offspring can create exponential numbers.

Liscence fees on dogs may be up to 50% less costly if the animal is spayed or nuetered

Less than .1% of dogs spayed before their first heat will develop mammary cancer.
 

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