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thefirethief

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HI folk, I enjoy reading everyone elses journals so just thought Id put a wee thread up about my new tank which Ive spent the last few months planning and slowly setting up. Its my first proper attempt at a planted tank. I planted it all just over a week ago and most things are going to plan, but as you can see from the photos, it still has it problems which I’m hoping will start to sort themselves out soon. Any comments at all are welcome!
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Here are some very exciting specifications:

Tank:
24â€￾ x 16â€￾ x 15â€￾ 24G/94L


PH 6.7/6.8 rising to 7 through the night.
KH 5.5/6.5
Temp 26 °C


Filtration:
Eheim 2213 External

Substrate:
Two 20lb bags of eco complete.

Lighting:
ASL compact T5 lighting unit fitted to the hood. 2x36W interpet daylight bulbs giving me over 3WPG on for 9 hours a day.

CO2:
My attempts at pressurized were a disaster from day one and ended up costing me a lot of money (see some of my other threads) so just now I have resorted to an old Nutrafin Yeast system I had lying around. CO2 levels sit at around 25ppm during the day, rising to around 33ppm through night. Yeast cylinder gets changed weekly.

Fertilisation:
Dry ferts made into solutions, basically using EI method. Try to keep everything at the recommended levels dosing trace in between days.

Plants.
Eleocharis Vivipara (tall hairgrass)
Eleocharis Acularis (small hairgrass)
Eleocharis Parvulus
Rotala Macandra
Eusteralis stellata
Rotala Sp Green
Micranthemum Umbrosum
Hemianthus Callitrichoides


Aquascaping:
I knew I wanted to try make it look like an overgrown garden so thought that various sized hairgrass would work well along the front and if I planted some of the eleocharis vivipara (tall hairgrass) through the stem plants in the background it would look wild, almost neglected, rather than meticulously pruned. Scale was a factor in deciding on the HC for a carpet as well as deciding on background plants. I didn’t want to have any large leaved plants in there as that would change the scale of the tank completely, so chose some smallish leaved stem plants I thought looked pretty interesting (rotala macandra and the Eusteralis Stellata) and tried to use the Micranthemum Umbrosum to blend in the background into the foreground, although I think that’s going to take a lot of trimming to stop it overshadowing the background plants. The tank was originally meant to be an Apistogramma / Pencilfish tank so I tried to create natural caves using the sandstone rocks which I had collected from my a local river. Ho hum, how exciting.


So heres my main problem so far which I might need help with. Both types of hairgrass had been sitting for around 4 days before being planted and I think that was a bad move. You’ll see in my photos that they look well and truly past it, do you think its beyond recovery? They are also the only plants which seem to be attracting hair algae.

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Any comments, criticisms and advice are more than welcome! I'll upload more photos as things go on and once things have grown in a bit I'll try get some decent photos without equipment and (hopefully) without algae.

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cheers folks! The rocks are pretty big, which made walking back through 2 miles of trees a mud a lot of fun.


The tall hairgrass isn't really a true aquatic plant, so... :dunno:


Are you talking about both kinds I have in there, the Parvulus and the Vivipara? Any ideas if anything similar exists that are true aquatic plants? Im guessing the dying Hairgrass isnt helping this early algae bloom so I think when Im off work next I'll remove as much as I can and replace the Acularis.
 
Looks like you've done a good job, great start to the tank!

You could always replace the tall hairgrass with normal hairgrass, but let it grow fully. As you can see from George's nano tank, it can get quite tall if left. All you'd need to do then is to trim the grass at the front.

As for the algae, you don't appear to have any fish in the tank, am i right? Also, no shrimps... which might help with the algae situation.

Lastly, why not put the CO2 ladder at the bottom of the tank? That way, when your plants bunch out they'll hide it, but also it'll give the CO2 that little bit longer to dissolve when it reaches the top of the ladder.
 
Looks like you've done a good job, great start to the tank!

You could always replace the tall hairgrass with normal hairgrass, but let it grow fully. As you can see from George's nano tank, it can get quite tall if left. All you'd need to do then is to trim the grass at the front.

As for the algae, you don't appear to have any fish in the tank, am i right? Also, no shrimps... which might help with the algae situation.

Lastly, why not put the CO2 ladder at the bottom of the tank? That way, when your plants bunch out they'll hide it, but also it'll give the CO2 that little bit longer to dissolve when it reaches the top of the ladder.


Thanks voo! Your hairgrass idea sounds like a good one, I wasnt sure how tall the acularis grew but having looked at goerge's journal again, looks like it might be ideal!

As for livestock Im still tossing the coins. Im thinking of making it a species tank so Id be reluctant to put anything like shrimp or oto's in but I think practically might have to outweigh aesthetics this time.

Trying to decide between this lot for livestock

1. Pair of Apistogramma Atahualpa and pencilfish as dithers.
2. School of 10 or so Gertrudes blue eye rainbows (Pseaudomugil Gertrudae). Males are absolutely stunning.
3. Rocket Panchax (epiplatys annulatus).

Im swaying towards the Rainbowfish.


As for the CO2 ladder, another bright idea. :good:
 
You have been braver than I would have been with your rock size, but the fact that they are interesting and of the same type (rather than a mish mash of different types, colours etc.) works well.

Personally, I would use the HC in the foreground with Dwarf Haigrass in and around the rocks as a transition in to the mid ground.

Micranthemum U. should look really nice coming out from behind the rocks. There is lots of promise in this tank, as soon as the foreground finds its legs again.

Dave.
 
Thanks dave! Encouraging to know you have faith. :) The background growth has been better than I expected so early on and Im just about to order some fresh Acicularis so hopefully everything will come together soon. I'll get some new pictures up once something exciting happens.
 
Just thought Id post a quick update on things.

First we have the good...

Ive re-planted the Eleocharis Acicularis a wee while ago. It is not really doing much however Ive just got my pressurised CO2 back on the go so hopefully that will make a big difference. Hemianthus Callitrichoides has coloured up well and hopefully the CO2 will encourage the carpet start spread, been growing well so far, just in the wrong direction (diagonal).

Ive also introduced the blue eyed rainbow fish Ive had my eye on for so long. Pseudomugil Gertrudae. Ive added 5 males and 13 females, thinking of keeping it a species tank and adding a few more. Turns out to be a really inquisitive little fish, full of character. They seem to spend a lot of time in small schools, only to go off on their own a few minutes later digging around the substrate. The displaying males look absolutely stunning too.

Lights are out just now but I'll try my best to get a picture tomorrow and stick it up here.


Now the bad (and the very ugly)...

Ive found quite a few hitch hikers the last few weeks (including a 2 inch worm) but Ive just pulled this weirdo out the tank. Looks like fly larvae of some sort, any ideas? The worrying thing is that its about an inch long and the same size as the fish so hopefully there arent any more.

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The snail population is also getting out of control. I wouldnt be too bothered but they are creating more waste than they are clearing up. There is quite a bit of detritus on the rocks and substrate which Im pretty sure is coming from there. Thinking of putting a few yo yo loaches from another tank in for a few weeks to try get rid of all these unwanted beasties.

thats all folks :crazy:
 
Nice looking tank, I really like it. Well done! :good:

Thanks stang1! Bear in mind the dead hairgrass has all been replaced so things are looking a bit more full of life. Still a lot of progress to make!


What in the HECK is that!? I'd sleep with one eye open, man. You never know when that's going to crawl out of the tank and start looking for something to munch on. Yikes!

Tank looks great!

- Chris



Thanks Chris! i know, i know. Im sleeping in my spare room tonight. Im actually scared to put my hands in the water now, which is a shame because oh oh how I love to 'tweak'. Im really hoping the foreground will take off and things will start to take shape now that Ive got my CO2 back on track. Watch this space!

Mark
 
That looks like a dragon fly lavae,or some sort .Get it out they all eat small fish ,and can give you a bad bite..
 
i use them for largemouth fishing and they are nasty.i forgot the name.ill get it tomorrow
 
Isnt that thing a may fly or stone fly larvae? I hear they get pretty big and nasty.
 

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