Well, i stand by what i said when i said there is no need for it, and about the point that killis breed differently to other oddballs, isnt there a pinned thread on mop spawning or something, and if you have a question what harm does it do to post a question in the oddballs section? its not like these killi questions are bombarding the oddball forum is it? a thread every 3 or 4 weeks sounds more realistic. What exactly is driving you to campaign for a killi section anyway? I think you need to realise that there really arent that many killi enthusiats compared to other things. there is a seperate betta section because otherwise the anabantoid section would be completely bombarded with 100 threads a week on bettas and 3 a week on gouramis etc, there are seperate catfish sub-forums because there is a large group of people who own plecos and a large group of people who own cories, both of which are very different catfish. The oddball section on the other hand, a couple of people own rays, a handful have bichirs, a few have gobies, a few have killis etc etc, the odd couple of people have oddballs here and there, and this applies to killis too, i see nothing that sets them apart from the rest popularity wise, and as for care wise, make a pin or two on them, theres already one on breeding them, maybe make one on basic care, (which probably isnt needed due to fish index anyway). So i dont see what makes you so eager to campaign for a new section for killis, what disadvantage is posting killi related threads in the oddball section causing you? Personally i think you need to stop backing this idea up for a minute and actually look at it realistically, because you seem to be struggling to come up with valid evidence that we need a new section, and about the fact that it would attract new members, well, maybe one, but we may also lose a couple because they look at this forum, find it hard to navigate, untidy, and confusing, anyway, we have hundreds of members. Whatever happens, it doesnt bother me too much, just it would be a waste of time, forum space, it would litter the forum, make it harder to navigate around blah blah blah. If it happens, well, i wont be visiting it much and it wont cause much of a problem to me, i'll just watch the number of threads stick and 7 for months on end.