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well last topic was a discussion about my spanish water dogs first period and it wasnt ok..
yesterday our parrot flew away :'( and we havent found it :(
so yesterday everyone was talking and we payed attention to lilu(my dog) aand talked about her for a while...money..time..into her breeding..so the conclusion was...............we r going to breed her when she gets her next period or the one after that!!! :DDDDDDDDDDDD..i will have my license and job and itll fill alot of empty holes we have in our family and if everything goes as planned we will have healthy gorgeous puppys :)..dont try to talk us out of it the decision is made! but comment to warn me about things(in my last topic they told me most of it tho)not gonna chicken out of it either..its set!..plz and thanks
 
good for you my mum breeds our dogs ocasionally when the dogs fall and were ready and the puppys are very cool may i suggest a small night vision cam off ebay about 20 quid that way at night when theyre asleep you can check on them and such :good: good luck
 
yay! pups are fantastic...

but for the momma's sake, I would recommend waiting until she is 2 years old....the healthiest pups come from a well cared for and grown up mama - - breeding her young is like having a pregnant teenager.

We bred our black lab a few years back (She is older now and a happy grandma!), and we did lots of research prior to breeding her....reading and our vet recommended waiting until she was atleast two years of age (into her 4th or 5th cycle) to ensure that she was physically healthy and mature, the pups would have a higher chance of a healthy birth, and it reduces the risk of complications and diseases the mama can get after birthing :good:

while pups are lovely, the first priority is the mama
 
oh wow yea i told my parents that they shud wait till 2 years old but idk why they said no..ill have them look over sum stuff and im already starting to research and stuff cause i cannot waiitt :D i love pups toooooo!!!..we r also gonna get knowledge from the vet and the lady we r breeding her with..EEEEE canttt waiit but if moneys low or sumthin happens around the time we r gonna breed her we might as well wait till the 4th or 5th one
 
i told my parents that they shud wait till 2 years old but idk why they said no.

we r also gonna get knowledge from the vet and the lady we r breeding her with..

if moneys low or sumthin happens around the time we r gonna breed her we might as well wait till the 4th or 5th one

^^ I imagine the responses above came from a mixture of the previous thread and those comments.

Oh and just to note, I vaguely remember biokid saying the dog was 1 year old a couple of day back, so by the time of her next season (or the one after if they wait)... she will be 18-24months.

Good luck to you anyways, but make sure you know exactly what the costs could be, you don't want to end up with the dog needing a c-section/large amounts of vet care that you can't pay for. I can't imagine the guilt I'd feel if I ever made the decision to breed an animal and then couldn't cover the costs of the care they needed so they ended up being pts or dying due to me.
I'm not saying 'wait till you've got enough money', you've said that's what you're going to do. What I am saying is phone a few vets and ask them for the costs of some of the worst cases that they've had to deal with regarding a ***** giving birth.

Also don't rely on 1 or 2 sources for info... at the end of the day what does the vets really know about breeding dogs? Or specifically your breed of dog. Make sure you have your dog and the stud tested for every breed related illness.

Make sure you have an EXPERIENCED breeder on hand so that they can physically come around on the day of the birth if anything happened. TBH if it was my first litter I'd have an experienced breeder there regardless of whether there were complications as I wouldn't presume I would recognise the early signs of complications etc (even with the amount of reading and such I've already done on the subject).

I know you have plenty of time to learn, but make sure you aren't the only one learning (the whole family needs to get involved).

Edit: Oh I suggest having an experienced breeder at the actual mating too, or get someone more experienced to do it for you. Better safe than sorry and plenty of things can go wrong even just trying to get her pregnant. Especially as she's so nervous/tempremental around other dogs. I wouldn't risk it myself as I've heard of bitches getting ripped during the tying process of the mating cause they got spooked by the dog being attached to them.
 
thx curiosity..we r asking 2 vets..my dogs and the other dogs..the lady is a breeder and knows what shes doing so we r leaving her there for a little and picking her up when she is prego..idk where it is and i dont know who she is but shes a breeder so she must know..we r going to be 100% sure we have enough money if not it wont happen at the time but she will be breeded from 2-3 years old around there probably 2 cause they r talking about it now
 
Well that's too bad, I assume the parents have not been screened for genetic diseases and malformities they could pass on to their offspring? I also assume they have not have any sort of temperament evaluation to prove that they are stable or have the proper temperament for their breed?


So basically you'll be making puppies that are the same quality as shelter pups? We know nothing about their health or temperament, great, that's just what the world needs. Instead of people getting shelter quality pups from a shelter where they would be saving their life, they are gonna get shelter quality pups from you. It'd be one thing if you were producing pups that had some qualities that made them harder to find than a shelter pup, like parents and grandparents free from genetic abnormalities so we have a pretty good feeling we're getting a healthy pup, a family history of therapy dogs so we know they have good temperaments (just because the parents are "nice" doesn't mean the grandparents were'nt absolutely viscious, and being a nice family pet doesn't mean the dog does well under stress), or parents who do some sort of job (like border collies who herd and labs who actually go out and hunt, hounds that hunt and track, etc.) so we know they have the temperament that the breed is supposed to have.

Nope your pups are just as likely as a shelter pup to grow up to be fearful, have terrible health, and act nothing like the breed should (I don't know what breed you have or I'd be more specific).

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, not at all. And you already said we shouldn't talk you out of it so I don't know why I bother, but this really gets on my nerves. We have millions of dogs getting killed each year in shelters and you are just going to make more of those dogs. In three years when one of the puppy's owners can't keep him anymore are you going to require that dog be given back to you? Or is he just going to fill up a spot in the shelter? how are you going to feel if in two years one of the dogs you produced has to be put down because he's in terrible pain from a disease on of the parents passed on to him? Or if in a few years one of the dogs attacks a child in his new family because he has a terrible temperament passed on from one of his long lost relatives? It very well may not happen, but it very well may. And it all could have been prevented.

I probably should have just kept my mouth shut but it's "breeders" like your parents that are the reason we have so many dogs in shelters. Good breeders require their dogs come back to them if they can't be kept, no matter how long they have been with their new families. Yeah mills contribute some, but I bet average joe breeders' dogs make up far more of the shelter population than mill's dogs.

In any case I suppose it's your parent's decision, no point in getting upset with you. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, it was not my intention, but bringing these completely dependent lives into the world is not something you just do because pups are cute or fun. They grow up, they can have terrible health, terrible temperaments, and terrible lives. It's the breeder's job to make sure that doesn't happen, and it's prevented long before the breeding takes place.

If you really like pups consider fostering pregnant dogs (or cats if you like them too)for your local shelters or rescues, that way you can do it over and over again and the responsibility afterwards will fall on the rescue, not you. Plus you'd be saving lives, not killing them.
 

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