Its Been A While...

[Durbkat]

You can flush them. Thats what I would do if it happened to me. Nut I wouldn't do it until I have tried all methods of treatment.

No, no you can't. Flushing is one of the cruelest possible methods of "euthanasia", and I can't believe you'd even suggest it. It doesn't kill the fish at all quickly; you might as well just let them continue to languish and suffer in their sick state, at least then it wouldn't be terrifying and painful. Please do not give advice unless you know what you are talking about.

Well I didn't know that so if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

Well you started this your self as I have pointed out in bold and I was only defending my self you can't expect to be able to insult people and expect them to keep there mouth shut you have to expect them to defend themselves. Since I thought this info was true but came here and found out I was wrong all you had to say was "Durbkat, this info isn't true just thought I'd let you know" then you could explain why it wasn't true and that would have been that but no you had to insult me. But I will not hold a grudge and I hope you won't either.

 

[Bre_B]

You can flush them. Thats what I would do if it happened to me. Nut I wouldn't do it until I have tried all methods of treatment.

No, no you can't. Flushing is one of the cruelest possible methods of "euthanasia", and I can't believe you'd even suggest it. It doesn't kill the fish at all quickly; you might as well just let them continue to languish and suffer in their sick state, at least then it wouldn't be terrifying and painful. Please do not give advice unless you know what you are talking about.

Well I didn't know that so if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

Well you started this your self as I have pointed out in bold and I was only defending my self you can't expect to be able to insult people and expect them to keep there mouth shut you have to expect them to defend themselves. Since I thought this info was true but came here and found out I was wrong all you had to say was "Durbkat, this info isn't true just thought I'd let you know" then you could explain why it wasn't true and that would have been that but no you had to insult me. But I will not hold a grudge and I hope you won't either.

i thought that was over and done with. can you both stop PLEASE.





now back to the real situation.


i have seen maracyn 2 i think... i didnt know it treated hemorrhagic septicemia? I have put in salt, but i didint know maracyn 2 treats it. does it say so on the package? if it does then i must be thinking of something else, i searched my LFS up and down for treatments for it, i think i would have noticed.. yeah , i have petco and petsmart in the same state... but theyre kinnddaa really far away lol

 

[RandomWiktor]

I sure hope it does, because its what I've always used to treat it
I'm pretty sure it says somewhere on the packaging that it deals with septicemia. h/o while I go check the box.

edit: Argh. I seem to have tossed the box and only kept the tablets. Drat. But, as I said, I'm 99.9% sure it treats it. Its worth a shot, anyways, if the bacteria is resistant to the current treatment, right? Good luck!

((And sorry for the argument. I tend to get irate about people posting false info, and probably got carried away. ) ))

edit #2: Info from a webpage re: Maracyn 2

Maracyn-Two Mardel Laboratories, Inc.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For infections of: Fin and Tail rot, Popeye, Gill Disease, Dropsy, Septicemia, secondary and internal infections.
*effective even when fish won't eat.

Yay! Looks like it might be worth a try - I hope it works!

edit #3 (I'm a role)
Also, have you looked into feeding anti-bacterial food? I treated columnaris sucessfully by adding antibacterial foods from Jungle to the fish's diet. If it can help cure columnaris, I bet it could help with just about anything. And since septicemia is an internal bacteria, hitting it through internal and external routes might be the way to go.

 

[black angel]

Need the pic to make sure what she has. I dont think its viral which would mean Rhabdovirus. For it to go a month would be the acute version and the fish isnt showing popeye or any signs of abdominal distention.
Can you look inside the gill cover and see what colour the gills are, they should be cherry red. Any extra mucus and is she swimming as normal?

 

[RandomWiktor]

^ Good idea. It would be good to know how the fish's behavior has been. There are occasionally genes that result in dramatic color changes. Is it possible that the betta is expressing these? If she is eating well, active, not clamped, and now showing any signs of disease after one month of hemmoraging, she's a true wonder woman! Though, if she is in fact sick, which is entirely possible, I do hope a new treatment regimen helps.

 

[Durbkat]

we have stopped arguing I was just telling randomwiktor one last thing.

 

[WILDER]

Maracyn–Two
Manufacturer: Mardel
A broad-spectrum antibiotic for internal or external gram negative bacterial infections which can even be absorbed through the skin. Effective treatment of fin and tail rot, popeye, gill disease, dropsy (swollen body, protruding scales), septicemia (bleeding or red streaks on the body), secondary and internal infections. Effective even when fish won't eat.
Active ingredient: Mincycline hydrochlor.

 

[Bre_B]

i cant have a pic now, my bro is on the computer that the camera attaches too but ill have one later i promise lol


buuut ill look at her gills now..

i cant quite see IN to the gills, if thats what im supposed to look at, but the outside looks just like it always did?

and she has never acted sick at all

its the weirdest thing, she just magically got all this, never acted sick, always very active and feisty, and we have never even had water quality issues, i test it weekly.. man is this frustrating...

im afraid i dont know what you mean by extra mucus, though... however i think when i say that she looks just like she did before (just with bloody-looking patches..) may cover that?

 

[RandomWiktor]

Hmmm. The fish I've treated with septicemia were always very ill acting. Clamped, pale, hanging around the surface or bottom, diminished apetite, etc. Are you super-duper sure she isn't undergoing a color change? I had an almost entirely white plakat that is now almost entirely blue, a VT that started out all orange suddenly develop red patches all over (I thought it was septicemia at first, too!), and a goldfish who went from orange to orange with white patches (again, I thought he was sick an 'going pale - turned out to just be his color!). If you are feeding a color-enhancing food, it is especially common.

 

[Bre_B]

Well i hope not ive spent so much money on her!!


but i can give a pic now, on the other computer, so here it is.

sorry blurry, as i said she moves alot. but anyway, the blue irridescence (blah, i cant spell that word..) is her natural color, heres her baby who looked alot like her so you can see her normal coloring (i dont have an old pic of her)

just so you can see what is abnormal and what is normal lol

 

[black angel]

Ok you will have to look really close and try and get a look inside the gills at the colouring, you may have to net her to have a look and see as well if theres any mucus inside the gills. You can use a fingernail to lift up the gill cover.
No sign of a swollen abdomen either or popeye?
Was she stressed at all you could see in the main tank? Was she bullied or nipped or chased? How long has she been on her own in the ten? And has there been any improvement at all in the colour of her or has she got worse do you think?
Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a clear pic of whats going on.



I agree with the maracyn but as its internal then you will deffinately need medicated feed as well. Medigold for goldfish is the only one i know of and my female betta used to eat it.


You sure its not a normal colour change?? If that was blood then she would be dead. Please try and get a clearer side pic.

 

[RandomWiktor]

Hmm... hate to say it, but to me at least (please though, keep asking advice and checking what blackangel said) it looks an awful lot like a color change. Septicemia looks more like blood-red, veiny streaks fanning out from the base of the fins. The splotches on the body normally start out as little pin-point hemmorages (petichea), or veiny streaks. This looks more like a gradually growing change in color, resulting in a marbled effect. The color also appears to be more of a purple-red than a blood red.
If it wasn't septicemia, that would be great, though it'd stink if you paid all that money and got a marbled gene in there. She's gorgeous other way, you can really see what good care you take of her.

edit: and, yeah, if she was loosing that much blood, she'd probably be dead. Most fish that don't recover from it die pretty darn quickly; I guess that should have tipped me off sooner.

 

[black angel]

yup colour change to me too. Need a clearer side shot.

 

[Bre_B]

use my fingernail!? I may hurt her im nervous haha..

ill try that later i guess after we discuss a little more what might/might not be wrong.

no swollen abdomen or popeye.

she was always the "leader" in the 55, so no, she never got bullied or chased.... SHE was the bully and the chaser!

sometimes when i would put a male (in a seperate container) in for them to see (i do that every so often, mostly for the male) she would cahse the other females away to try and keep the guy for herself haha

she was always very active, flaring all the time, etc..

still is, actually.

shes been in the ten for about a month-ish.

her color has gotten worse.




any more questions?


(Seriously, though, i dont think its just her color changing... it just doesnt look like that to me, but maybe im wrong.)


EDIT: just saw the last two replies made while i was typing. sorry. lol. but seriously.... its just changing color?!?! totally just doesnt look like that to me O_O then again ive never see nit before so yeah hahah

 

[black angel]

My post went all funny.

Anyhoo im so glad you managed to get a pic and you didnt euthenise her.