is this a good lfs policy

DOLORES said:
mmmm i think its stupid to dont be allowed to have fishes unless you have 18 :/
YOU CAN!
duh :rolleyes:
you just need parental consent
its not that bad
just get you parents to tell them its ok :p
sheesh

why would you have fish if your parents didn't know anyways?
 
Pointy_kitty said:
DOLORES said:
mmmm i think its stupid to dont be allowed to have fishes unless you have 18 :/
YOU CAN!
duh :rolleyes:
you just need parental consent
its not that bad
just get you parents to tell them its ok :p
sheesh

why would you have fish if your parents didn't know anyways?
i know i can but why the lfs would need that info? i mean.... where's the point on having fishes or any other pet, and have your parents with no idea about it?! if you are going to buy them is becuz ur parents did let you! i think unless you are 14 or younger, u dont need "parental consent" ....does anyone feel the same as me?
 
Tropjunky said:
i fink it's a good idea stops little gits buying fish to kill
... (going back to the car ) i would think its a better idea to stop "little kids" from killing themselves by lettin them drive a car at the age of 16 i mean.... having a parental permission to have fish , that doesnt mean that'll stop you from killing it! sheesh :no:
 
I agree with Pointy Kitty. You aren't looking at this through the eyes of a LFS owner. They have to protect themselves. There are a lot of bad kids out there. These kids do not frequent fish forums. Selling to them would be grossly irresponsible and invite fines, bad press and/or litigation. You're probably barely breaking even financially. Do you really want the hassle? So the responsible kids have to bring in a parent once. Small price to pay. If some kid was in the paper for blowing up the fish (or something similarly stupid), you people would be jumping all over the person that sold them the fish.

My $0.02. :dunno:
 
it's *kind of* a good idea, in theory, cos it's obvious how many people buy fish without being able to look after them properly. but im not sure if realistically restricting sales to under 18s would actually save that many fishy lives?

if i had a fish shop, whenever anyone came in I'd sit them down and offer them a cup of tea. then we'd have a chat about what size tank they have, what kinds of fish they're inteerested in etc etc and I'd advise them on what kinda fish would be best for them...hopefully that way they'd feel like they were being helped rather than like i was accusing them of being irresponsible, they'd be happy cos they'd end up with a nice healthy tank, and the fishes would be joyous...
 
I'm twelve, and as you all know, I take good care of my fish :p So it's not fair that I wouldn't be able to get them because some dumb*ss kids torture them, and light them on fire :grr: I should carry a card to the store saying what fish I have in what tanks, a fish license :hyper: But I can't drive, or ride my bike to any of my LFS's because they are all atleast 5 or so miles away and blocked off by highways. I always have my dad with me, and by the time I get to 'fish buying age', all the stores will know me! :lol:
 
well if u have a tank already, and have fish for a long time, u should be able 2 get them. they dont even seem 2 care at this place for the fish, u cant even ask the price of the cats if ur arent 18, yet they little 3 yr. old daughter of the owner can go and stangle the animals and its ok. its a very biast place.
 
Well...With some tweaking, I think it would be a great rule.

I would be to not limit it to age. Question the customer about their current tank setup, and/or (as much as I know I would have hated this when I first started) force the customer to bring in a small sample of their water before issuing any fish, and then - depending on the size of their tank limit their purchase.

Of course, if you're looking at this from the business perspective, you're losing out on a LOT of money. (Sell fish, wait for it to die, then wait patiently for customers to walk back in looking for more fish.) However, the people who don't learn about the hobby and know what to do eventually get bored/frustrated with their tanks. You're much more likely to get repeat business from the customers you want - and chances are, not only will they respect you for what you're trying to do (give a fish to a good home) but they'll more than likely abide by your rules.

I mean, think about it. Would you give a cat or a dog to a home without checking them out first? Why would a fish be any different?
 
if i had a fish shop, whenever anyone came in I'd sit them down and offer them a cup of tea. then we'd have a chat about what size tank they have, what kinds of fish they're inteerested in etc etc and I'd advise them on what kinda fish would be best for them...hopefully that way they'd feel like they were being helped rather than like i was accusing them of being irresponsible, they'd be happy cos they'd end up with a nice healthy tank, and the fishes would be joyous...

God, where were you, clutterydrawer when I was looking for my tank. I would have loved that. Most often times I'd walk into a PS or FS and start trying to ask questions (never knowing what to ask) and usually walked out of the place confused.
 
Wow...what a lively thread, some good points being brought up here and while there are conflicting points of view, no one is actually in the wrong.This is what a forum is all about. OK...here's my 2 pennies.......At one time I had a part time job in one of the best little "saltwater only" fish stores in my area. Nothing fancy, just a couple of guys who loved the hobby and wanted to share their ideas and knowledge with others. Helped me out tremendously when I was starting out in salt, I probably would have given up on the marine part of the hobby if I hadn't accidentally run across this shop, these guys were the best. Anyway, as has been suggested in a previous entry, they decided that the best way to run their shop would be to question people on their tanks, fish, experience, etc. They did water samples, made housecalls, boarded fish and sometimes whole aquariums while customers went on vacation, they even helped other wannabe lfs owners with setting up their own shops. Just the ultimate in customer service, IMO. Other than what you bought from a competitor, they pretty well knew their customers tanks as well as the customers did themselves. Problem is, this takes time! I know that there were times it would not be unusual for one of them to be with the same customer for up to 2 hours, sometimes longer depending on the issue. While this was going on there would be other customers in the store browsing, waiting for their turn to pick their brain. Now one customer is only going to spend a finite amount of money, so you have invested a lot of time and only gotten back a small amount of money. The ones who are waiting to be helped and all the staff is busy will end up going elsewhere to a store where they can just plunk down their cash, point to the fish they want and be on their way home. As has been stated, this is not the responsible way to buy (or sell), but hey, my grass needs mowed and I gotta get back home! So the problem is, although it is in the best interests of both the hobbyist and the animals being kept by the hobbyist to sit down and work with each customer on an individual basis to find out all you can about where your livestock is going to and whether it will survive once it gets there, from a business standpoint you won't be able to make it if you do this. These guys went out of business. Now when I say "business standpoint", it would be nice if you could separate a fish store from a grocery store, but bottom line is you've got to make a profit to keep the doors open in either case.( Hey...what if you could classify a fish store as not-for-profit...)
OK, I apologize for rambling on, I have a tendency to get carried away with some of these things as some of you who have PMed me know, but there really is a lot to running a shop, more than what the average hobbyist realizes, and while I sympathize with the feelings of the under 18s who feel victimized and persecuted by this rule, you just have to put yourself in the place of the shop owner who has been "stung" one too many times by the irresponsible kids and you can see where this rule is coming from. Try not to take it personal, you know the rule is not meant to discourage the "good" customers, no business person wants to run off their customers, but evidently there has been a bad experience (or more likely several bad experiences), put yourself in the owner's position, something has to be done. Help him to stay in business, a good shop is hard to find.
 
sounds like a stupid rule to me, i might be under 18, but i probably know a whole lot more than some of the people at my lfs who have jobs there becuase they know the owner, manager, etc
 
Hey All.

I think a lot of good points were made.

I think that there should be an age limit(hey we don't want 10 year olds being allowed to buy fish by themselves) and I also think that asking a possible buyer (regardless of age) questions about their tank is a good idea.

I believe that there are younger people on this forum who know more about fish etc. and take better care of their fish than a lot of the adults I see in fish stores. Now with saying that, I also believe that there has been cases where younger children etc. have brought home animals that they were not allowed to have. Who knows what happens then. That is my only concern and why I think some sort of age requirement should be present.

I am only concerned about the fish....and if someone can meet the requirements that is good enough for me...
 
i think there is no point of having an age limit, but i have heard a lot of people mentioning some sort of "lisence" to keep fish, that wouldn't be a bad idea, but the aquatic industry would probably reject it since it would reduce sales, etc
 
I don't know about 18, but at our store we had a rule that you had to have a parent if you were under 16. This went for all animals and was just because we had kids buying fish that they didn't have permission to buy and then the parents would have to drive the fish or whatever back to the store and they weren't happy. This rule wasn't set in stone to the point that we carded people when they came in for fish. If you had been in a time or two we knew who you were. Also the kids you couldn't drive had to have been brought there by someone, all they had to do was have mom or dad run in from the car and give us the ok.
I also want to say for some of you younger guys that it is awesome that you are so knowledgable and willing to learn! Just remember that many kids are not like this, and because of this, it's better to inconvience the good people now and then in order to stop the bad people. :nod:
 

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