Is there such thing as 'too many' crabs/snails?

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I know a good cleanup crew is essential, and I want to get a few more crabs, but I dont want to get 'too many'.

Currently I have 2 hermits, and about 8 or 10 snails (I say either or because I cant keep track, and I think one or two snails are dead.)

10 gal tank.
 
i dont think over stocking on snails would cause a problem you have it easy in a 10 gallon just think of us poor lads and lasses who have over 100gallon tanks :blink:
 
Not to mention 220 gallons
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How manyt more cleanup crew were you thinking of adding? I dont se a problem with adding more personally, just dont go overboard and get loads.
 
upon adding more. do you mix the type of hermits you have. do you go with different types such as... you have blue legged hermits do you go and buy scarlet red reef hermits? or is this a bad idea? I am getting ready to buy a cleaning crew based on what navarre said. one hermit/one snail per gallon. I think I am going with 75 turbo snails (is that a good choice) and what is the difference between blue legged hermits compared to scarlet red reef hermits? should I get 40 of each? of just 75 of one kind?

anyway to take words for navarre 1 "crew" (hermit/snail) per gallon of water. so I guess in a 10 gallon tank stay close to that and you should be okay.
 
You can add another 5-7 critters safely, but you'll have to feed more so keep an eye on that.
 
Blue and red hermits dont tend to get along. If you do have to mix them then make sure the reds are much larger because the blues are far more aggressive and if they are equal size they will kill the reds. BLues tend to be better workhorses and more active then the reds, howver they are also much more aggressive and the blues tend to be the ones that are usually seen trying to evicts your snails out of their shells :/ Reds are more lazy and not seen as much during the daytime, but they are far more laid back and less aggressive.

I have a mix of 70% reds/30% Blues in my tank. THe blues are tiny in comparison though

Choice is yours really.

Oh and lets not forget the other crab that does well as cleanup crew... Mithrax (or Emerald) Crab
 
There are a couple rules for your cleanup crew.
There is the standard 1 crab/snail per gallon.
And then there is the one I prescribe to. If you can count them, you don't have enough.

In my 180, I currently have about a 150 snails, and somewhere near 400 crabs.
I replenish it about once a year. I consider them part of the food chain and overstock intentionally so then they will die/get eaten/perish back to optimal levels.
I also feed heavily so they help greatly.

GL
 
As an addition I would like to say that a selection of different snails would be more beneficial than just one type.

Turbo snails are great algae grazers for your glass and rock, doing the same job as Nerite snails, but don't do much else. Cerith snails and Nassarius snails graze on glass and rocks but will also burrow into the substrate helping oxygenate it. The Ilyanassa snail is the ultimate burrower though and zips through substrate eating stuck waste as it goes helping to oxygenate the sand and lower phosphates.

HTH
 
GL is right to a point. It depends on the species. That one per gallon rule is way off if you are talking, say, Turbo or Astraea snails, which go about 1 per 25G for the former and one per 10G for the latter.

The really good cleaners that can in fact survive in our warmer waters are Trochus snails of a variety of species. Those you can go 1 per 5-10G.

Nassarius snails are good sand stirrers and detritus eaters but you don't want more than 1 per 3-5G.

Fighting conchs are fantastic sand stirrers and cyano contro, 1 per 30G or so.

Ceriths are good algae eaters of all sorts and if you only go with those you can do 1 per G.

But if you get all of these then you need to scale back the numbers on each.

Snails die due first to starvation because we tend to grossly overstock based on this somewhat flawed 1 per G understanding. It really depends on the species you are stocking with.

They die second due to conditions which they cannot survive in, namely, overly warm water. Most snails sold as "turbo" snails in stores and even online are either not turbos or are temperate or cool water animals and die in our tanks.

They die third because of incompatibility with other creatures (crabs) in the tank. Scarlet Reef Hermits are the safest by far to mix with snails. Any other hermits and you are asking to have your investment in snails eaten by crabs.

Before anyone contests the assertions here I ask that you have read Ron Shimek's work on this subject, which I merely summarize above. While he is a strong-willed guy and some challenge a lot of what he says about sandbeds and other things, he is widely recognized as a leading expert on the issue that is the subject of this thread and even those who lambast him for his stand on sandbeds swear by his research on these critters.
 
FWIW, here's the cleanup crew I've got in my 10g:

Hermit Crabs:
2 red-leg
2 blue-leg

I didn't know about the difference b/n the 2 when I got them. They're all the same size and I see all of them working all of the time. I haven't had any aggression problems out of them - towards snails or towards each other. They're all still in their original shells they came in though there are extras in the tank. Well, one of the blue-legs seems to like alternating b/n his shell and a bumblebee snail shell I have in there.

Snails:
1 Margarita
1 Astrea
1 Bumblebee
3 Cerith
3 Nassarius

My snails are all WAY bigger than my hermits for whatever that's worth. One of my nassarius snails laid eggs on the glass a couple of days ago and I'm waiting to see if they (hopefully!) hatch. I also had a top-crown snail, but one time when I went on vacation and came home, he was dead, his shell was empty. There were no other tank casualties. I have no idea what caused his death.
 
I just added a Turbo Crab and Two Blue Legged Crabs to my 7 gallon tank today. I am hoping that they clean the substrate and rock that i have in there. It was getting pretty bad.
 

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