Importing My New Dog.. Hopefully!

[Jessica13]

Well, i posted a while ago to say i was hoping to get a pug... but thats not happening now. I love pugs, and i definately want one in the future but i want a dog a bit more active that can get involved with our labs.. So i've decided on a NSDTR which i have seen at the shows for months and they're the sweetest little dogs!!

We were talking to someone today who said that there aren't enough in this country and they're having to go overseas to breed their dogs, and import new ones to keep the breed going over here So we've decided to get one from overseas and start it all off I've emailed some breeders of the top ones in America and Canada and am awaiting replies! Obviously its not just going to be a pet, i will be showing it and will also do agility, but it will be a pet mainly but as i would hopefully have a litter or two from it it would be nice to have one of a completely different line, and would be helping the breed over here in the UK too

Anyway, im just hoping that some of the breeders i've emailed are willing to sell their dogs to us in the UK Fingers crossed!! And if anyone in the US or Canada (or anywhere else really lol) knows anyone who breeds and shows these dogs feel free to PM me

And heres a pic i found on Google of a toller for anyone who doesn't know what they look like

 

[grahamsokel]

Have you contacted these breeders?They may know someone who has one or who has a litter due Here

 

[OhMyDog]

Ohhhh. Tollers are such lovely dogs!! Good luck!

 

[FreshwaterFishie]

Most quality breeders do not ship overseas. They might ship to the bordering states. Actually, most of the good breeders do not ship. It is a long plane ride to the UK and the dogs can't go to the bathroom or drink. The dogs are usually traumatized when you get them. Aren't there any breeders in the UK? Don't go to the first breeder you see and don't look in papers. You will not get a quality dog. The people who sell through papers are breeding for money, bred there dogs accidently, or bred 2 dogs and wanted a dog just like Skippy. There are a lot of good breeders out there. Look on Kennel Club sites, they will have breeders listed. You might think, "why would I want a dog that has champion lines when I could get one from the paper?" The dogs with champion lines have proven that they are the right form, figure, and health. Some of the people who sell through papers or petstores breed dogs that have health problems. Good breeders do not.
Here is info about the Nova Scotia:
Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever
Here is a breeder, if you can't get one right away get on the waiting list. It is better than a heart-break dog, The breeder might be able to give you another list of good breeders:
Tollers


Edit: The link that the other person gave it great too!!!

 

[grahamsokel]

I have to agree with everything FWF says.We breed Dachshunds and we never have to advertise our pups anywhere.we have had people on our waiting list for over 18 months waiting for a pup.people contact us through the breed club or they have got our details from people who already have one of our line

 

[Jessica13]

Of course people ship them, how on earth do you think you get new lines in a country?! Many of the top breeders and exhibitors of the rarer breeds import their dogs, and my breed (labs) are regularly exported to america to get the lines established over there.

The dog would be shipped with a top airline experienced in shipping dogs so would be well cared for.

Have had an email back from one breeder in Canada. She has some of the best dogs in Canada which look beautiful. The problems with the dogs over here are that they are breeding them too closely related so that there are problems developing (pale coats esp) which is not good. Yes it would be a long jounrey for the dog, but many people take their dogs with them when they move abroad!! It also wouldn't be a very young puppy. The youngest we could get is 9 months due to import regulations and are currently thinking of an older dog (up to 2 years). There would be no quarentine over here in the UK so the dog could come stragh home from the airport!

I assure you, if we do import our toller it will all be done properly with the dogs health being the main priority!!

And have looked on Champdogs (one breeder has oine available thats VERY pale and in a kennel and v nervous) and the other link ( tollers.com ) we spoke to the breeder and if we pay £20 we can go on his waiting list.. Will see what happens with the Canadian ones first, but may go on the waiting list just incase.. Though as i said, we would prefer a new line rather than the current ones as we would want to breed it!

Edit - Just thought i'd say that tollers are very rare over here. Theres a 2 year waiting list, which can be up to 4 years or more for a show quality dog!! So no, there aren't many breeders

 

[pica_nuttalli]

i'd like to point out in Jessica's defense that she's no slouch when it comes to research and commitment. Jess has quite the menagerie and is an incredible information resource for all the animals in which she invests. If she says that she's importing a dog with an interest in supporting a rare breed, then i feel fully confident that the dog will make it perfectly ok--even if that means she has to go get it herself! i am also confident that whatever dog she does select will be a high-quality competitor; she's not going to be hoodwinked by some backyard breeder. Jessica often posts excellent advice on selecting dogs with regards to "show" and "pet" quality.

Jessica doesn't have "pets", she has "companions".

 

[Jessica13]

i'd like to point out in Jessica's defense that she's no slouch when it comes to research and commitment. Jess has quite the menagerie and is an incredible information resource for all the animals in which she invests. If she says that she's importing a dog with an interest in supporting a rare breed, then i feel fully confident that the dog will make it perfectly ok--even if that means she has to go get it herself! i am also confident that whatever dog she does select will be a high-quality competitor; she's not going to be hoodwinked by some backyard breeder. Jessica often posts excellent advice on selecting dogs with regards to "show" and "pet" quality.

Jessica doesn't have "pets", she has "companions".

Thank you so much for that )

We may well fly over there and bring the dog back with us if we feel that is the best option (haven't worked it all out yet as we need to find a dog first!!). Obviously if we did decide to do this it would be a few months of planning anyway - And importing a dog costs around £600 so certainly is not something we would be taking lightly

Though, i did send emails to several different breeders. One breeder of this breed in the UK has replied. He is relatively unheard of because his dogs are bred as gundogs to be worked but he is happy to sell us one to show This would probably be good too as the dogs would be as they should (not inbred like the show ones can be!!!) and he is going to conatc us after he's mated the dogs in 2 weeks!

But, we're going to crufts anyway so will talk to people there. Am waiting to hear back from two VERY good breeders in Denmark and France which would make importing a lot easier and cheaper!!! But have made no decisions at all yet... Will keep you all updated!!

Oh, by the way, if we do get a puppy i am going to call it Delilah!

 

[MegTheFish]

Kind of looks like a Brittany Spanial and Golden retriever crossed together, nice looking dog. Thank-god your not getting a pug, sorry, I don't like pugs LoL

 

[FreshwaterFishie]

i'd like to point out in Jessica's defense that she's no slouch when it comes to research and commitment. Jess has quite the menagerie and is an incredible information resource for all the animals in which she invests. If she says that she's importing a dog with an interest in supporting a rare breed, then i feel fully confident that the dog will make it perfectly ok--even if that means she has to go get it herself! i am also confident that whatever dog she does select will be a high-quality competitor; she's not going to be hoodwinked by some backyard breeder. Jessica often posts excellent advice on selecting dogs with regards to "show" and "pet" quality.

Jessica doesn't have "pets", she has "companions".

I never said she shouldn't support a rare breed or that she will buy froma a BYB. All I said was that most good breeders do not ship there dogs overseas. I personally would not buy from breeder unless I saw there facility, the dam & sire, and were the dogs were being kept. It is hard to do business with breeders over the the internet, telephone, or even snail mail. Even if they saw they are great breeders, they might not have a great place for the dogs. There was a breeder recently in the US who breed Schnauzer and champion dogs. She was an older lady and she had over 100 dogs. I was also trying to point out that it is inhumane to ship dogs overseas. The cargo is very cold, they can't go to the bathroom, and they can't drink. I understand that she is willing to research the breeder. I was also offering her breeders in the UK so she didn't have to ship. The other info wasn't just for Jessica, other people read this post too. Some times I learn from post that weren't even written to me.

 

[Bloo]

How exciting Jessica !
Looks like a lovely breed

I think anyone who seriously does their homework, will be able to find an excellent reputable breeder quite happy to ship. There are many top rank breeders (breeding in small quantities and very selectively) more than happy and willing to ship (abroad), in order to widen a gene pool. The waiting list might be a good year or two, but if you're serious enough, you'll find what you're looking for.

I've done this a number of times with cats and dogs. Once you ring enough breeders (of that specific breed), go to enough shows and speak to the people there, you soon find out "who's who in the zoo".
I've found on several occasions (when ringing around to speak to breeders), they are quite happy to discuss as much as you want to know in-depth; even if they don't have any current pups/kittens available - they more often than not know who has / or who has what you're looking for. They will also make recommendations - and after enough phone calls, you keep hearing the same names in the same circles.
It's not that hard really - you just need to know where to look and exactly what you're looking for.

 

[Jessica13]

All the breeders i contacted were smaller breeders of better quality dogs. You can get NSDTRs over here easily enough if you say its for showing, that doesn't necessarily mean its the best example of the breed (the ones i was offered werent!!) and the same applies to breeders overseas.

The breeder in Canada has ONE dog who just happens to be a champion and very nice dog. They're mating her to an even better show dog so the chances are they will produce nice puppies - Not 100% guaranteed but it gives a better chance!! Im not sure we will get one from there though as she's going to charge £200 a month from 8 weeks to 9 months to feed it which is going to work out about £4000 for the dog, vet costs, paying the breeder to keep it and shipping - VERY expensive puppy!!

But, we have been talking to a breeder in Denmark, one of the dogs they've bred is coming to Crufts from Holland this year so we're going to have a look at him They ship theres regularly around mainland Europe so are well aware of how to ship properly. Though, we would probably bring her back on the ferry as it only cost £15 extra apparently But, they are willing to keep the puppy until we can have it and only charge us about £50 for food I did ask if that was right and he said it was They'll house train her and raise her as one of their own dogs in the house with their other doggies! We can get flights over there for only £20 so could visit her regularly too I think this may be a better option!

We're going to meet their dog at crufts and see what he's like

Ooh, and i wouldn't have bought ANY dog without first meeting the breeder and mother of the dog - even if that meant flying to Canada and coming home without the dog cos we didn't like the breeder or where it was kept! But i had a good look through all the website and the ones i email had their dogs mainly as pets, they were living in the house with the family and looking very healthy and happy! Not all dog breeders are puppy farmer you know..

Anyway, will keep you updated on this - it may well be a long wait but i'll get my toller eventually im sure

 

[FreshwaterFishie]

Ooh, and i wouldn't have bought ANY dog without first meeting the breeder and mother of the dog - even if that meant flying to Canada and coming home without the dog cos we didn't like the breeder or where it was kept! But i had a good look through all the website and the ones i email had their dogs mainly as pets, they were living in the house with the family and looking very healthy and happy! Not all dog breeders are puppy farmer you know..

I never said they were all farmers. Why would she make you pay for feeding the dog? That's odd. $4000 is expensive for a dog. I am sure you will find some good breeders at Crufts. Good Luck!

 

[Bloo]

$4000 is expensive for a dog. I am sure you will find some good breeders at Crufts. Good Luck!

That was £4,000 which is actually $7,000. If they have to rear the pup till 9 months of age (once sold at 3 or 4 months of age), they're definitely not going to do it for free......

 

[FreshwaterFishie]

That was £4,000 which is actually $7,000. If they have to rear the pup till 9 months of age (once sold at 3 or 4 months of age), they're definitely not going to do it for free......

WOW!!! Most are reared until they are 12 weeks old, not 36 weeks! Our club/rescues Code of Ethics says, "Never place a puppy under seven weeks of age; the suggested age would be 8 weeks or older." But, we suggest 12 weeks. I wonder why the chose to raise the pups for 9 months?