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Mariah

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Hi,
I know someone on here can help me.
I aquired a 20 gallon tank and now it seems there all breaking out with ick! The thing is I got the tank last Sunday and everything was fine so I added some fish and boom! I have a ick breakout!
Currently in the tank are:

2 cherry barbs (both with ick)
1 rummynose tetra (ick)
2 up side down cat fish (both have ick)
4 long finned red minor tetras (one or two has ick)
1 pleco (has ick)

4 swordtail (so far NO ick)
1 bronze catfish (so far NO ick)
1 algae eater (so far NO ick)

The swords and the algae eater were added today and they have no ick... The long finned red minor tetras and pleco were added on Tue.

What cures are there to cure this ick problem? I Know I cannot add salt because of the corys... or can I? Its spreading like wildfire! Three hours ago the RN had no ick, now hes covered!!! I should mention that the other RN is in a sick tank for another problem and I was planning on getting more cause I know hes a schooling fish.

Please help. I dont want all my fish to be sick :-(
 
Sorry to hear fishies are ill.
Before I forget, NO ! salt if the tank is home to cories.

There are many meds for ick though all depends on what your LFS carries. I use Maracide which is a 5 day treatment and will NOT hurt any of the tanks inhabitants. Just remove carbon (if any) and follow dose on bottle. 1 drop per gallon. This medication may tinge the water a green tint but, this can be removed with a water change a fresh carbon AFTER treatment is complete.

Quick Cure is also good. And pretty common in most LFS. I don't use it much so can't say on dosage / treatment time. But would be my PERSONAL second choice if Maracide is not avail.

Hope this helps.
danny

PS,
Here's a tid bit of info.

Ichthyophthirius multifiliis
“Ich”



Commonly referred to as “Ich” this is a protocol parasite, which appears on fishes as small white dots. Ich can affect and damage the, fishes skin gills and or eyes. The parasite can remain dormant in an aquarium for several days, even weeks before any signs are visible on fish. Ich, has a pretty basic and simple life cycle. The parasite penetrates the mucous coat and the upper layer of the epidermis (outer layer of skin). There the parasite situates itself between the epidermis and the cutis, where it feeds on red blood corpuscles and epithelial cells.
The parasite can affect the fish in many ways depending on the severity of the outbreak. Ick will irritate the epidermal layer by increasing the natural production of mucous by the fish causing them to shake and rub on objects form the irritation. It also attaches to the fishes gill filaments thus, interfering with the gas exchange where oxygen enters the blood, resulting in the fish gasping due to the lack of oxygen in the blood.
After some days in the fishes skin / gills the parasite matures. They then leave the fish for reproduction.
Once the mature parasite leaves its host it sinks to the bottom of the aquarium where it secrets a soft jelly like cyst. The cyst can contain hundreds of young parasite. At this stage, a series of rapid divisions take place. The development of the parasite depends on the temperature of the tank. The cooler the temperature the faster the parasite will develop, roughly within 12 - 18 hours. Approximately 36 hours after the mature parasite has left the host, the youngsters will be free swimming in search of a host.
Young parasite cannot live long in the aquarium unless they find a host. If there is no host present, the young parasite will die within a few days. Without a host, the mature parasite can live dormant in the aquarium for a few days longer than the young parasite. In the aquarium environment the mature parasite tend to leave the host periodically, but the fish will become infected repeatedly each time in higher numbers if left untreated.
If a completely healthy fish is infected, by just a few ich parasites it will not suffer much, and if the aquarium is not too crowded the chances of reinfestation are not as great.
Though Ich is not visible to the eye in its early stages the fish will sometimes show signs by rubbing on objects in the aquarium. And in some cases heavily infected fish will show signs of breathing trouble this is a sure sign that the ich has attached itself to the fishes gill membrane. In many cases, fishes, which have had a serious infestation, may not recover. If a completely healthy fish is infected with one or two ich parasites it will not suffer much, and if the tank is NOT crowded the chances of reification are not too great. However, in such cases infection may remain in it’s latent stage for a long period, since the parasite in the skin of the fish will grow very slowly and consequently no symptoms of the parasite will appear. However, if left untreated and or the resistance of the fish is weekend by unsuitable conditions, (drastic water temperature changes or improperly maintained aquarium) the parasite will have a better chance and then an epidemic can and in most cases does occur. This explains why epidemics often appears when tropical fish are kept at too low temperatures, while, on the contrary, in cold water fish epidemics may occur at too high temperatures.

There are several contributing factors to the infecting of ich, Cysts of ich can also be found on water plants, which in turn explain how many parasites are smuggled into our aquariums. These water plants can be infested even though they are not a suitable host. Just a transporter sort a speak.
Treatment:

Maracide (by: Mardel laboratories)
1.) Remove carbon if any.
2.)Add one drop Per gallon of water for five days. Even if signs appear to be gone.
3.)Once treatment is completed, a 25% water change and fresh carbon will remove the green tinge if any that may have been left behind from treatment.

By: Danny M.
Will complete and add a little more in near future when I can dig up some extra time hope this helps. If anything, it makes for good reading. LOL
 
Are these meds available in canada? If not, what are the best meds in canada for ick?
 
I use "Super Ick Cure" which is avalible in most fish stores in Canada, Remember to ALWAYS use half the recommened dose on scaleless fish if the bottle does not say "Safe for all fish" (cories, pleco's, eels ect.). Raise the temp slightly, and keep up on partial water changes. Sometimes if the ick looks absolutly horrible add some antibacterial meds to prevent infection of ick sites (Melafix is good) and can be added to it's full dose.

Hope this helps!
 
Available.:nod:

I see Kordon also listed within the manufacturers, in which case I would suggest Rid-Ich+...not avail. at this site, but perhaps lfs? Safe for tetras...though I have no reason to think Maracide isn't...just another option.


ps Danny: been found, I see. wb ;)
 
Well I did get the maricide. I have used the full does with them because it did not say anything about it not being safe for tetras and corys... I hope I did the right thing. I dosed them before reading the last couple of posts.
Does anyone have any experience with the maricide with curing ick?
Thanks -_-
 
I suggested the Maracide because I have used it for years and IMO it's the best cure for ich and other external parasites. If it's ich, this will work and it is safe for ALL fish and aquatic life.
Danny
 
Danny - the lost soul--- said:
I suggested the Maracide because I have used it for years and IMO it's the best cure for ich and other external parasites. If it's ich, this will work and it is safe for ALL fish and aquatic life.
Danny
even so, it is absolutely necessary to treat for much longer than 5 days........that does nto even cover the entire life cycle of ich....you need to raise the temperature above 85 degrees (gradually - no more than 2-3 degrees per day)...and treat for 2 weeks...don't treat everyday like it says - just every 2 or 3 days with 50% tank cleanings before each treatment...

unfortunately if you only treat for 5 days you are only killing some of the ich and it WILL return sometime soon
 
Abstract - Ok, so you are saying to do more treatment than it says to do on the bottle? On the bottle it says to treat on days 1, 3, and 5.

Danny - Did you find that the ick went away after day 5? Did you do any water changes while treating?

Thanks ;)
 
I recently had a nasty dreaded "ich" outbreak :angry: myself.
I think I was very lucky to catch it very early and spotted the first signs of a few spots.
I did a 60% water change, raised the temperature and dosed with ich meds (UK brand). It was already gone the next day, but as per directions I dosed again on day 5 (no water change).
No sign of ich since then and no fish loss :D
good luck !
 
Just thought I would let everyone know that my ick outbreak seems to be getting better. They still have some white dots but I really think its going away. ;)
 
I am going to redose even if it looks like the ick is gone after day 5 ;)
 
Yes, 5 days will treat / kill the ich. I am personly aware and understand the cycle of ich. I currently have over 60 tanks up and running and over the course of 16 years have used many many meds. And ALWAYS use the Maracide and in 5 yes! 5 days it's gone.
Three days ? where did three days come from? Yes the tomite stage last three days yet ALL can be killed in 5.

The recommended 5 day treatment will take care of the problem. You may re dose as a prcoution which again this medicine is safe and can be used as a prevenative.

If you research ich you will better understand the parasite. And it is NOT absolutely necessery to treat for 2 weeks. And water changes before each treatment?
you do NOT want to change water every treatment because you will make matters worse. The tank is already going through changes with the meds and the parasite. A 50% water change is recommended AFTER treatment is complete and NOT during. By doing so you will be removing the medication that was put in prior. You will also be removing more and more of the MUCH needed bacteria.All aquarium medications take time to cycle threw the water. This is why they suggest more than one dose not one dose / water change then next dose.
Sorry no trying to contradict but speaking from experience 5 days is what is needed with Maracide and only water change of 50% MAX. after treatment is complete.
Diff. meds may suggest diff. or have diff. treatment measures and or doses.
And yes, Ich does have a life cycle of 12-16 days which, if you read the article I belive I mentioned it. Though, with PROPER treatment the parasite will and can be killed within the recommended 5 days. Again depending on medication used and severity of the outbreak. If you have seen signs of improvement rest assure that the problem is solved or under control.

Again this is just my experience / opinion. Which are just likes fins, we all have them. :rolleyes:


If you do retreat do a partial water change though it is not needed. Once you are done treating replace filter bag (if any) do a 25-50% water change .

Good Luck,
danny
 

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