I want to breed!

[mm_simb]

From my expression she's asking for the advice and it seems like she'd actually listen. If you would tell her that the crowntail from the LFS is not a good choice to breed then I think she would listen. She did say she wouldn't do it unless she knew everything was going to go right. I say, if you're going to say something harsh...don't say anything at all.

Now back to the topic at hand...

 

[yeeviabetta]

Yup. When she said her crowntail is a very dark blue, black in places with red patches on his fins and metallic blue the color of a neon's stripe on the veins of his fins, I am clueless what crowntail is that and what type of genetic he got. Fancy? LOL
So I hope she will check out the two websites and download some articles about genetic like blue and red line to start from there.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

OK, wow.  except for yeevia, those were horribly rude and dismissive posts.  Falcon appears to have already learned the basics by reading on the forum and is asking specific questions, one of which was a direct appeal to hear from experienced breeders.  and you just blow her off with a gif?

we all have to start somewhere.  why not at least tell the poor girl where you first learned how to go about breeding quality bettas?  or just providing a simple yes/no for some of those questions.  or you could simply even just look at her sig and say "oh, hey, wuv is from texas too!  maybe she can help you out!"

pretty much you've got a person politely asking you to help with tying her boat to the dock, but you just threw her rope back at her and told her to learn how to swim.  you could have at least pointed out where the water is shallow!

i really ought to stop lurking in bettas; sometimes the things i see posted in here just really make me want to scream.  if we aren't dropping f-bombs on a family-friendly forum, we're saying "you aren't important enough to provide with a link".  way to be friendly guys...

yes maybe your right but pictures speak louder than words and we do have pinned topics and they are there to read and she would have answered at least two of the questions...if you lurk long enough then you will see its quit often we get people saying i want to breed bettas..and I'm sorry the best advice i can give about keeping and breeding any fish is DO SOME READING, then come back and ask some questions nothing is basic so really i cant say learn the Basics, if i want to know something i will read about it first then ask questions about what i have learned, as there is alway something that may have been missed, without exceptions, i love to read and thats my advice to anyone, it is all on the INTERNET nowadays.....just type in what you want and hey presto something come up....and at the end of the day if by saying please is being rude I'm sorry i don't know another word that politely point them to an answer without repeatedly typing the same thing i never assume that people know as if i was to give a full blown answer about genetics it would not possible make any sense.... im am sorry if I HAVE offended falcon, but she not the one complaining Thanks for reading....

Yes if we all did our own research nobody'd probably ever come on this forum for help- i ask myself why people don't research some times or write down basic info on threads but then again i realise at least they're trying to sort things out which is always a very important start- at least they are concerned and care about their situation.
Would you prefer our friend here, after seeing your posts, become very upset about ever asking info again on here and decided to attempt betta breeding all on their own?
I have nothing against you, but i think you should swallow your pride a bit here. And please don't be so sarcastic, we're not stupid here what you said was offensive and imature.

If you don't want to help this person, don't post in the first place.

 

[Bettaman]

Well i think i did i have said sorry two or three time and here again, in red as well if yo cant accept that then i don't know...i started out as we all do not knowing about breeding, and for me to learn i had to read, as there was no forums to ask no INTERNET, , just the lfs and a library were i got as many books on the subject and read them, at the end of the day people have spent time writing book and now others have put the information on the web like i also said it don't always answer all questions, but then some cant be answered, and it would be try it yourself write down what you do and the results can then be shared to everyone by the written word...or pictures if you can get them, thats what i do if i find out something new, i would say that reading back through this the question has not only been answered by no one but no one is really sure, on what advice to give mine would be if you want quality bettas then start with them.....like most have said in the past lfs bettas have been inbred out crossed and a general mix up. at then end of the day its again it is advice people do what they want with it ,Bettaman always right and don't forget that. LOL yeeviabetta, i dint and have never said I'm always right me and you and others have a laugh with each other and I'm sure you as well have read many books and web sites before you asked a question just to clarify matters .......
so once again i will say I'm SORRY if i have offended anyone i cant say more than that ........

 

[yeeviabetta]

hehehehe Slap on bettaman hand! Piak! OK. Done. No more cat fighting. LOL

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Well i think i did i have said sorry two or three time and here again, in red as well if yo cant accept that then i don't know...i started out as we all do not knowing about breeding, and for me to learn i had to read, as there was no forums to ask no INTERNET, , just the lfs and a library were i got as many books on the subject and read them, at the end of the day people have spent time writing book and now others have put the information on the web like i also said it don't always answer all questions, but then some cant be answered, and it would be try it yourself write down what you do and the results can then be shared to everyone by the written word...or pictures if you can get them, thats what i do if i find out something new, i would say that reading back through this the question has not only been answered by no one but no one is really sure, on what advice to give mine would be if you want quality bettas then start with them.....like most have said in the past lfs bettas have been inbred out crossed and a general mix up. at then end of the day its again it is advice people do what they want with it ,Bettaman always right and don't forget that. LOL yeeviabetta, i dint and have never said I'm always right me and you and others have a laugh with each other and I'm sure you as well have read many books and web sites before you asked a question just to clarify matters .......
so once again i will say I'm SORRY if i have offended anyone i cant say more than that ........

ok! ok! we've all made our points and sorrys here and i appogise if i missed any previous appologys you made, but thats that...
Ahh...Anyways, where were we on the subject of betta breeding before the topic moved onto this ?

 

[FalconStorm]

Okay, I had no intention of starting this up, guys. Thanks for those of you that jumped to my rescue. Bettaman, I completely understand your concerns, and I have done a little bit of reading. I read the breeding FAQ on here before posting, and I've read over the FAQ on breeding that is posted at bettatalk.com, a good site for betta's I believe. The problem I have with surfing the 'net for breeding information is that no one polices what is posted on the internet. There can often be conflicting and erroneous information. (Case in point: what if parrot_man posted a site with breeding advice?) I have been posting on this forum for a couple of weeks, I believe, and feel that the breeders on here most likely know what they're doing and seem willing to offer first hand advice. Books and articles are, at best, second hand information and can be skewed by the interpretation or confusion of the reader. The direct advice of someone who has actually successfully bred quality bettas, with the option to ask clarifying questions is, at this point, my best and most accurate source of information. Since it is available to me, I chose to take advantage of it.

I admit, I was a little hurt by Bettaman's post, but I understand your stance too, and can see how frustration concerning others who will not listen to good advice might make you want to assume I will be the same. There is certainly a precedent there. Thank you for your apologies, as well. Thanks, Kiarra, for the post on genetics. I do understand what you were talking about and from what I've gleaned in this thread, I will probably not breed my betta. I like his conglomerate of colors, but I realize that may not be desireable in quality bettas, which is why I asked, because I don't know what is considered desireable. Also, it sounds like he is a little old for it, and by the time I have the proper resources required for a good spawning, he will definitely be too old.

I think I want to breed some day, but not right now and probably not any time soon. I was specifically interested in continuing on HIS genetics because I think he is beautiful, but I really don't know if he would throw true, and since I *don't* know his genetics, and probably couldn't find out, I think I will leave it alone.

Also, I'd like anyone who cares to know that I never had any intention whatsoever of trying to breed veiltails. I am a firm believer in spaying and neutering my cats and dogs that I rescue from the pound. When I see the same veiltails waiting for a good home every time I go to my lfs (that doesn't carry crowntails), I can't in good conscience add to that.

Thanks, everyone, for the advice and discussion. I'll definitely stop by here for more advice when and if I feel I am ready to breed. Until then, I gotta get those pics of Damian downloaded so I can share them. He really is beautiful, even if it is in the eyes of a layman.