I may be new

[ManyFISH4Me]

I came across a couple bettas listed for auction. Is it just me, or is this seller leaving something out? (the veil tail part)

http/cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...ssPageName=WDVW

This one says he's working toward half moon, with these. Also sayss he bred this one, and got a few DT, "so he may carry that" Like I said, I may be new, but wouldn't he have to carry dt, to produce dt? I have been studying betta genitics
I believe the only way to get dt spawn is: either 2 fish that both carry the gene, or 2 dt's themselves. (But the 2nd gived deformed fry.) Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?act=Post&CODE=00&f=5

I do like the green/yellow plakat seller has in another auction though.

 

[nashnut]

I see what you mean. To add insult to injury... I have the ....... Orange male betta siamese fighter RARE NR... myself and have seen them locally quite often. Always veils. Mine's a bit more orangy though.

 

[SRC]

I don't think you can get a Veil from a Halfmoon x Halmoon/Crowntail cross. You'd maybe end up with a delta or a combtail...but not a Veil.

No matter how pretty the other fish are from this breeder....I think you should leave his fish alone, IMHO.

 

[BettaMomma]

Man, he's ALSO from Wisconsin.
What is it with Wisconsin??

JEEZ

 

[MissD]

The betta in the picture is the spitting image of the yellow VT I got from Walmart...maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't look like a Halfmoon to me...

 

[SRC]

I sent this guy a e-mail thru Ebay, asking how he happened to obtain a VEIL (instead of a Delta or combtail) from a Halfmoon x Halfmoon/Crowntail pair.

This is his response:

acctually it is geneticaly possible. Two halfmoons and two crowntails dont always result in halfmoons and crowntails. Also if you look at them again they are fuller then a veil tail. If you have more questions about genetics I have references and you are welcome to stop by www.Nabettas.com for more genetic information. It is the same for color as well two reds dont always make red. Sometimes you get marbles sometimes traditional cambodia color, sometimes butterflies. Surprises in the fish world never stop amazing me, I have a take full of cellophane and cambodia delta tails out of a crowntail male and a crowntail female and neither of them were close to halfmoon. Thank you for your interest but I asure you it is quite possible.

Did you happen to look at his brother which I also have listed btw.. You will see that his tail is more rounded then a normal veil also you can see the crowntail in him. I also have pictures of their father if you wish to see them as well. Now the orange one is a veil and I am working towards halfmoon with that line. Thanks

Yeah um...errrrr...eh....... (lmao)

 

[BettaMomma]

Okay... so... have a look a this:

This is his fishy....

This is my WalMart Archie:

Pretty similar finnage, if ya ask me.
hrmph

 

[SRC]

And here is a Delta (which is the most likey of results the "spawn" he says he came from would contain). This is my R.I.P. boy Det.

A veil has an abovious tail flaw..the curves at the top and bottom just off the body.

He obviously thinks no one will know wtf he is talking about and just buy the darn fish anyways. My God I hate to think of anyone paying $10 + $25 s/h for a Veil. That's absurd.

 

[ManyFISH4Me]

Someone has already bid $12 for the orange one.

I just past up almost the exact fish this past weekend at petco.

WOW, I could have made a little $, and saved some extra Bettas from the LFS.
(Half Kidding)

 

[OohFeeshy]

Its really rippy-offy, but its a pretty betta I've never seen a real live yellow one before. Only pics.

 

[Merlins_momma]

hey whats wrong with WI? Anyway this is my two cents in on this subject..maybe the fish the orange one i believe the possible carries dt one maybe they bred the fish with a double tail geno female? LIke the females mother was maybe a double tail? And the female is what carries it...could be they didnt know that. Also I think the picture doesnt show that yellow straight on...the fish looks sideways like the picture was taken at an angle...I bet if that fish were straight you could get symetry out of it.. I looked at almost every post and sticky on this forum..the delta that someone posted looks like its fins are closer to the yellows then the viel posted. Personally I have never bred halfmoons...I love crowntails. Possibly which happened to me once and never again...the persons crowntail halfmoon female was bought from over seas and really wasnt halfmoon? But just a ct....Thats why I dont breed halfmoons...I will stick to cts. I know I am a devils advocate here, and I am new to this forum...but there is so many what ifs that need to be explored. Did anyone ask for this person to produce pictures of this yellows father...I saw that in there post. The orange is nice...I have orange but costed me an arm and a leg..well almost. Did you see the ended auctions for this seller? They posted a vt marble I forget the starting bid and it went for $13.00 something..it is the same bidder as on the orange. Hmmm the same bidder has also aquired a heck of a lot of fish in a short amount of time. Wonder when everything is said and done if the seller is even going to get their money. Although the shipping is reasonable compaired to most I have seen! MM

 

[Merlins_momma]

I showed a member of the IBC the picture and this was the response since I am new I just have to paste the response... here it is I asked him if it was possible to get this from the parents the seller described. Enter response........
Round tail is one of the symmetrical types described in the old
standards so it is possible and I would guess easier to get than
half moon. HM demands rigorous water changes and care with any
deviation resulting in loss of straight,edge rays to the fin. The
shape of least resistance in most arenas (sciences) is round,
spherical, ball-shaped, so a round tail is maybe a lazy half
moon? Sounds reasonable to me.

Just thought I would share that. MM

 

[SRC]

One of that fishes parents could possibly be a HM, DT, Delta, or CT..but that fish pictured...is a VEIL...there is no doubt about it...you can look at the rays themselves and see it. A Veil has a "droopy" ray and a delta has a straight ray...tha tyellwo fish has droopy rays...they are curved up top.

but for the sake of reason..I will ask a breeder theri opinion..anyone?

But here is a excert from the "tail type thread here"

The Veiltail -

Mustard Gas Veiltail Male

Veiltails usually have a single ray extending all the way from the body, without any ray branching (though once is fairly common). The membranes are all connected, and the fins affected are the dorsal, anal, and caudal (tail). Only males show this characteristic, and their fins can be up to four times the length of a short-finned betta. Veiltails are the most common type available, and are the kind usually found in petstores. The tail fin droops and is non-symmetrical, meaning it cannot be evenly divided with a horizontally drawn line through the middle.[/quote]

 

[Dorkhedeos]

wow, if that guys sells a veiltail for that much, imagine how much he would sell a delta for

 

[FishyLoveBug]

ooo~ the auction has been stopped. How odd.....