HELP Please. Need Advise/opinions

[BettaMomma]

I still think it's total crap.
You should look into that with Ebay, if you feel like persuing it. That isn't any different than if I was bidding on an item and won it, then the seller smashed it to bits.

You all know how I am - and I would spend the next week or more (however long it would take me) to research what happened and if I could turn her butt into Ebay for something, I would do it just because it is wrong. That fish did nothing wrong except to fall ill, so now it's dead. It's incredibly unfair.

I understand that a fish might not have made it being shipped in those conditions, but I just can't understand how someone could whack a fish like that, ESPECIALLY when it was || that close to being your fish. It should have been your decision to make.

I suppose it's admirable that she's offering you some other fish, but still. The thought of what happened makes me shake my head.

Did you see that little guy? He was a little beauty.
How sad.

 

[SRC]

Techinically speaking..the fish getting sick and her putting it down is no different then if you had bought a vase and she dropped and broke it. Either way the product became defective before she shipped it..she did what she should have done by not sending it to you. When you sell on Ebay you are reccommended to not send any defective products..Ebay cannot protect you from buyers if you do that.

There are lots of people who would have given negative feedback or demanded a refund regardless if they were told before they were shipped a damaged product, just this time the product happened to be a fish.

I don't see anyone jumping down someone's throat when they have a puppy that has parvo or heart worms PTS...are they? Sometimes you just don't have the time or money to spend..that is one of the functions of Uthenasia. Sometimes that happens to fish as well. You don't know just how sick this fish was, so you can't say that she should have just sent the fish on.

Yes, it sucks you didn't get the fish, but if the seller has offered you a free pair...you should take that and go with it..you aren't going to find a better situation. Alot of seller's would have just said tough #### and refunded that money and called it even.

Not to mention, the seller has a back out option labeled "product broken/became unusable before shipment" that they can use. If you back out of a sale now...you will not have any cause to do so , and that could result in a non-payment tag or negative feedback for you.

 

[BettaMomma]

Techinically speaking..the fish getting sick and her putting it down is no different then if you had bought a vase and she dropped and broke it. Either way the product became defective before she shipped it..she did what she should have done by not sending it to you. When you sell on Ebay you are reccommended to not send any defective products..Ebay cannot protect you from buyers if you do that.

I think I disagree, just cuz it was a living thing versus a piece of glass.

I don't wanna argue with anyone today - I think I'm just bugged because a fish died.

Guess that's the way some things just work .

 

[Allix]

Regardless of whether it was within a legally binding contract, what the seller did was still wrong imo.

I understand the fact that they run a business, but 'culling' fish because they are poorly doesnt sound very productive.

Surely explaining that they are poorly, trying to help, offering you a different pair and even mailing you the porrly fish would have been better. If she could have just got the fish well enough to travel, then sent them to you, then you could have done your best to help them.

That way all she had got rid of the poorly fish, and she wouldnt have to bother spending the time on treating them, which she obviously could have done, otherwise she wouldnt have killed them

I hope that makes sense

 

[Bloo]

Surely explaining that they are poorly, trying to help, offering you a different pair and even mailing you the porrly fish would have been better.

The seller did say she was sorry, and offer me a free pair, to go with the others I won. Not sure what I should do.

Is it not possibly that the seller in fact did what she thought was best for the fish - in the conditon it was in ? Yes, it's sad that the fish became poorly and had to be culled. However to send a sick fish is just not something that should ever be done - that's what I call cruel. To Slosh around for 24 hours will be a certain death (not to mention 24 hours of travelling misery).

 

[Allix]

Surely explaining that they are poorly, trying to help, offering you a different pair and even mailing you the porrly fish would have been better. If she could have just got the fish well enough to travel, then sent them to you, then you could have done your best to help them.

but if she could have got them well enough to travel

 

[Bloo]

But perhaps they were too far deteriorated to do so

Or perhaps they didn't even exist in the first place, but acted as "bait" - so that she could then offer the other (maybe not as beautiful looking) pair instead. Just a thought. Stranger things have happened.....

 

[Allix]

 

[FalconStorm]

*shrug* The cost to treat a sick fish added to the cost to raise the fish could easily put her in the red. Also, we don't know what the fish had. What if it was dropsy and his chances of living were slim to none?

I agree that it sucks that the fish died, or rather, was put down, but I don't think this means the seller is as evil as she's being made out to be in this thread. She's done the best she can to fix an unfortunate situation. It is no more her fault that the fish fell sick than it would be if she had been selling a vase and it got knocked over by accident. In fact, it would be irresponsible of her to ship a sick fish. The odds are that it would die of shock as well as sickness, not a good way to go. As it is, she put the fish out of its misery and has done the best she can to rectify an unfortunate situation.

We all know that breeding bettas is not exactly a lucrative business. She probably does not have the time or money to treat the sick fish. This is not total callousness on her part or even spite. She is doing the best that she can, but if she is moving, the move alone is similar to shipping and could send him into shock as well as being likely to kill him, much less the fact that she probably barely has time to maintain her other bettas during the move, much less take care of a sick one. Try taking a look at it from the seller's point of view. Yeah, there might have been alternatives, but she did what she believed to be best. Just because you disagree does not necessarily make her wrong.

 

[SRC]

Come on now be reasonable. Selling fish is no different then selling anything else. If it is defective it's defective..end of story.

If you sell on Ebay you cherish a positive feedback rating. Sending defective merchandise is asking for negative feedback. Some people (not saying the author of this thread would do this) are just vindictive and rude. Some people would see an opportunity to get something for nothing and demand a refund after they had received the defective merchandise. Then the seller would be forced to refund the money plus lose the merchandise (too costly to ship back..they would lose even more money). You have to look at this from a selling point of view. This is what goes on when you sell things..regardless of what you are selling..live or inanimate. It doesn't matter. Ebay suggests strongly that you not take the chance, because if you do, as a seller, then it's on your shoulders to pray and hope it doesn't go down that way. Because if it does..Ebay will have to go against you and honor the buyer...and make you give the refund.

This is why selling LIVE animals on Ebay is suposed to be agains the rules.


She Put the fish down, that is every fish keepers decision...on whether or not it is worthwhile for the fish and owner to pursue getting the fish back to a healthy point. This particular fish keeper stated that she was moving..that she did not have the time to properly devote to getting the fish back to a healthy enough state to ship. What should she have done..put off her move? I think that is ludarcis to even hint at.

When animals are sick and the owner does not have enough time to devote to the recooperation or the money to spend on the medications..it is best to uthanize the animal and let it expire before any more pain or suffering occurs. Not prolong it's life just so it doesn't die right then, because someone didn't think it should die right then...that is assinine.

This is what goes on when you have animals...you have tough decisions to make on a regular basis..especially when you have fish. Trying to make someone feel ####ty about a tough decision is not nice or right IMO.

It's a shame the fish had to be put down, yes. It's a shame she had her heart set on this pair and she didn't get them, yes. Is it a shame that the seller didn't ship a sick fish, stress it out, and it die a violent death on the trip to the new owner or die shortly after arriving at the new owner..and in turn making them feel like they didn't do a good enough job trying to get it better..no, not IMO.

I think the seller did the responsible thing, put the fish down humanely before any more suffering occured, and offered the buyer a totally free pair of fish.

Do you think they keep every sickly puppy or kitten alive when they are at the pound? Heck no, they either do what they can up to a point, or they make the decision everyone dreads, and then they uthanize them. You can't medicate and save every sick creature that comes into your possession. There comes a point where you have to make the decision to uthanize.

 

[Karah's_Mommy]

I raise parrots, and I know they're not fish, but it's the same concept. I'm sorry, but the excuse "I don't have time to medicate" is just garbage. When you're a GOOD breeder, you make time and you find a way. I've had to rearrange my schedule and I've missed things I've wanted to do because I have a sick chick, or an expected hatch. That was something I took into account before I ever considered raising parrots. I've carried chicks around in a cooler and even taken them on weekend getaways. I've had chicks survive when my veterinarian told me they wouldn't make it. Waking up every 2 hours overnight to fix formula and feed a sick chick is not my idea of fun, but I took the responsibility for that animal when I decided to breed.

And I do understand the need to euthanize an animal. I've had 2 of my dogs put to sleep in the last 3 years. These dogs were sick beyond ever recovering, not because I just didn't have time to treat them. I would not be upset if the seller had said that the fish had come down with some terrible disease and would die anyways. But she didn't, she said she just didn't have time. It makes you wonder if she didn't have time to treat this one fish, what about the rest of her stock?

 

[cation]

What does the term "culled" mean anyways? Sounds like a word to try and cover up for her horrible and uncalled for actions.

In this case, that's exactly what she's doing. However, you will be hard-pressed to find a breeder of quality bettas that does not cull at all. I'm sure there are a few, but they're few and far between, you know? With possibly hundreds and hundreds of fry, it's common for a few to be "differently abled", and most breeders will cull them. Many breeders cull hundreds of fish, only keeping the top 5 or 10% of the spawn. Some scrap whole spawns.

It's unthinkable that she's calling it "culling" in this case, though - your fish was nearly an adult, most breeders only cull fry.

 

[cation]

[quote name='Karah's_Mommy' date='Jun 13 2005, 10:39 AM'] I raise parrots, and I know they're not fish, but it's the same concept. I'm sorry, but the excuse "I don't have time to medicate" is just garbage. When you're a GOOD breeder, you make time and you find a way. I've had to rearrange my schedule and I've missed things I've wanted to do because I have a sick chick, or an expected hatch. That was something I took into account before I ever considered raising parrots. I've carried chicks around in a cooler and even taken them on weekend getaways. I've had chicks survive when my veterinarian told me they wouldn't make it. Waking up every 2 hours overnight to fix formula and feed a sick chick is not my idea of fun, but I took the responsibility for that animal when I decided to breed.
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Not equivable to betta breeding, unless you have parrots that hatch hundreds of fledglings out of a clutch....

Although I agree with you on the treatment of nearly grown animals. It's one thing to cull deformed fish when they are fry, another completely to let an adult fish die because you're too lazy/poor/busy to treat it. Especially when it's already sold and owned by someone else. She doesn't appear to be a breeder with any integrety, IMO.

 

[MegTheFish]

I think she should of asked ManyFISH4Me first, though. Not just going ahead and doing it without even informing her.

 

[FalconStorm]

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made regarding this breeder. A total move is not a weekend getaway. We don't know how far she is moving or when. There are any number of possible scenarios where this move may have been very unexpected so she could not prepare adequately.

Sure, it's possible that she's just a horrible person that kills her fish at the slightest whim, but it is too likely that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for her actions, and a big move is one of them. In my experience, very few people are purposely malicious or spiteful. I like to give them the benefit of the doubt. I find that more often than not, I'm right. If I put myself in their shoes, I can see their point of view and I know that in their shoes, I would like to know that others are giving me the benefit of the doubt. I might have done the same thing in her place, but only after careful thought and consideration.

I'm not asking anyone to condone what she did, only to try to be a little understanding. Life is tough. Difficult decisions have to be made. She made one. It is unfortunate that her buyer will suffer for it, but I really think she's doing the best she knows how to do. I may be wrong, but unless I have more information, I will give her the benefit of the doubt.