Havin Lots Of Trouble With My Tank Fis R Always Dieing

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hi im new to all this but i joined due to the fact i am havin trouble with my fish i have just stared and my tank has been running for about 3 weeks now first of all i put sum grit in the bottom that was making my tank go cloudy all the time so i sussed that and changed it to natural stone and now it seems to be fine then i had a faulty heater and got sold some fish that i was told was good for the tank but in the end wasnt when i looked them up on the internet so i was a bit dissapointed about that in the end and now i have got more fish and there is 2 or more dieing aday and now i have only got 3 guppies a chaka and 1 neon left but i am scared to bye more because they keep diein on me and its not makin me very happy losin gthem all the time can anyone help if u need to know out else just ask
thanks kirsty
 
First thing to do is stop buying more fish. Second thing to do is go out and buy a liquid test kit that will test for Ammonia and Nitrite (Nitrate and pH are also useful, but not imperative at this stage.)

The next step is to go to the stickys in the "New to the Hobby" section of the forum and read about cycling a tank, all the information you need should be able to be found there.

Good luck

James
 
hi kirsty, what a terrible start, poor you. you can rest assured however that you are not at fault here, you've clearly been given poor advice from the fish shop, you're not the first person to have this happen and you won't be the last. we see it every single day on this forum.

there's a bit of research to do about your current situation to get you out of it. the first thing to read is the link in my sig 'whats cycling' this topic is designed for people in exactly your situation and will explain it all to you.

the bones of it is this though, the filter in the tank works by some bacteria which live in it, they eat up the ammonia (fish's waste) and convert it to nitrite, then another species of bacteria eats the nitrite and converts it to nitrate. both ammonia and nitrite are deadly and toxic, nitrate is toxic but only in massive quantities.

now when you buy a filter off the shelf in the fish shop it doesn't have all this bacteria on it, which means the filter can't process the ammonia, this then builds up in the tank and the water becomes deadly for the fish. The bacteria are present in the water, but only in tiny numbers so they can't handle all the fish's waste at first, over the first few weeks or months of a tank's life the bacteria will grow until they can handle the waste and the water is clean.

The problem being in the period where the bacteria are growing the water is often toxic enough to kill off all your fish. :crazy:

Now what we recommend for people starting out is a process called 'fishless cycling' this is where you set the tank up with water and everything running but no fish in it, then you add pure ammonia to the tank to simulate the fish's waste, the bacteria will thenstart to grow. over a few weeks you test the water regularly and add more ammonia until you reach a point where the bacteria can process all the ammonia that a full tank's load of fish would produce. at this point the tank is then ready for fish and you can add them safely.

Unfortunately a lot of fish shops don't advise people of this method, it's relatively new so a lot of them simply don't know about it or are too set in their ways by the time someone tells them.

So if you find yourself in the situation with a tank that wasn't cycled fishlessly before hand but already has fish in there's really only one solution. all you have to do is water changes, this removes the ammonia from the water and keeps it clean for the fish. sounds simple but we're talking about a lot of changes here, most likely 50% changes every single day for up to two or three months. So it can be really hard work!

Anyway that's the bones of your situation, read the 'whats cycling' topic and post back with any questions from there.
 
also could anyone el me abou a fish named chaka its a fish like a cat fish that mainly stays on the bottom and looks like a leaf and acts dead most of the time thanks for all ur help but b4 i put any fish in the tank i ad it up and runnig for a few days with no fish in and the first time i got fish they all died instanlty almost in aday and then i changed the stones cos they kept makin the fish tank very cloudy then it was fine for a while but in the second lot of fish i bought i got a black ghost night fish and was told this would b ok with any fish but then found out that it eats any fish below 3cms in lenght and that died in bout 24 hours and cost me £8 pound but we wasnt advsed proper bout this fish thanks for all ur help i thought lookin after fish was a lot easier lmao
thanks kirsty

by the way im not from this time zone that it says on here lol im from wakefield lol
 
Have a look in the "new to the hobby" section for the pinned thread about mature media donors, as getting some would quickly ease your issues ;) Mature media adds a large amount of filter bacteria in one go, cutting your cycle from a few weeks to a few days at most. :good:

I don't know much about Chaca, but I think they grow large and are preditory.... Not 100% on that though...

Looking after fish can be easy or hard, depending on how you do it. The advise your LFS has gien has sent you down the "hard" route. A few weeks on here and a mature media donation will quickly shift you onto the "easy" methods :good:

HTH
Rabbut
 
Chaca or frogmouth catfish will eat anything they can fit in their mouths. This includes your guppies and neon. Apparently they can also affect the pH (acidity) of the tank too, which can have all sorts of nasty results.

[topic="34214"]Frogmouth-catfish[/topic]

I'd really recommend you take it back to the shop, as it's not suitable for your tank. Ideally, take the others back too, and then do a fishless cycle as Miss Wiggle describes. If you can, invest in a liquid test kit as suggested above - they're not cheap, but they last for ages and make things so much easier.

Once your tank has cycled and you've got lots of good bacteria to break down the waste, then it does get a lot easier, honest.
Reallly sorry you've had such a difficult time - hope things improve for you soon.
 
wel i now only have 3 guppies and 1 chaka the neons kept dissapearing think the chaka as eaten them and think the guppys wil get eaten by the chaka as wel so i now dont want the chaka and want rid but i dont know wat to do with him anyone want him or anyone know wat i can do

thanks kirsty

thanks for all ur advise so far
 
try advertising him in the buy sell swap forum as free to a good home, you could also put an advert on a site called aquarists classified and you may find someone from there.
 
try advertising him in the buy sell swap forum as free to a good home, you could also put an advert on a site called aquarists classified and you may find someone from there.
thanks miss wiggle lmao but i cant wait ages for sum to pick him up i live in wakefield and a lot of people on here live too far away from me
 
Did you get the fish from a shop? If so, take him back to the shop. They gave you very bad advice if they sold him as suitable for your community tank, and ought to take him - even if they don't give you a refund, at least he's off your hands. You won't be the first person to return an unsuitable fish.

If this isn't possible, try giving him away on the buy/sell section as MW suggests - you could try dividing the tank to keep him apart from your guppies while you're waiting for someone to collect him. You should also keep an eye on the pH of your tank - do you have a pH test kit? It seems that chacas give out something that can make the water more acid. This could make your guppies sick or even kill them. If you see the pH change, or if you can't test the water, I'd suggest you do small water changes regularly, to make sure the acid doesn't build up.

There are quite a few useful posts on the forum about how to make a divider for your tank which keeps the fish apart but still allows the water to flow through. For example:

[topic="101204"]DIY Tank Divider[/topic]

Or click on Search, then More Search options, and look for Tank Divider, check the 'Titles only' box to get the most relevant posts.

Hope this helps, and good luck.
 
nt it took my chaka back to the shop the women was ok with taking him back and gave me sum neons and a guppie in place of it that was nice of her wasnt it
 
my fish r doing ok now i took the chaka bk and the shp keeper gave me 5 neons and a female gupie so im gona try and start breedin as wel now so we dont ave to keep buyin fish cos now i am gonna stick to just guppies and neons think its the safest option for me cos they arnt as hard to luk after and keep up to as out else
glad i got rid of the chaka tho
and my tank is nearly fully cycled now cum out of the bad part thanks for all ur help
 
Glad things are going better now! Keep going with the water changes, hopefully it will be a lot easier soon. :good:
 
yh it shud b but i ave yet another 1 slight prob my fish r surviving and r great in my tank now,
but i ave a filter that oviously sucks all the unwanted stuff out of the tank and blows water bk out of the top,
but at the point where it sucks in i think its really dangerous because my fish seem to b ok,
but if they go near the filter where it sucks they get sucked in and die any ideas where i can get sum netting from or sum thing that wil stop this from happening plz
thanks kirsty
 
If the fish are getting sucked against the filter, they're not healthy. They're either dead or dying when they get stuck there - the filter isn't killing them. Fish are strong enough to swim against the suction of a filter - even my monster filter, small tetras and danios can rest an inch away without being pulled in.
 

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