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To paraphrase the comedian Gallagher - This country wasn't founded by 'wimps', but rather a bunch of p***ed off people who set off on leaky boats exclaiming "maybe I'll die ..."
Yup... So men with high testosterone levels that decided to do dumb stuff 🤣
 
Happy Independence Day.

The aliens are coming, the aliens are coming.
where's Will Smith? save us Will.
 
That's a very fair assumption... The U.S is a jumble of cultures...

I'm glad to hear you don't want to take us over any time soon 🤣
Lol if Britain tried to take over the US we would get absolutely slapped. I wouldn’t worry about that
 
Lol if Britain tried to take over the US we would get absolutely slapped. I wouldn’t worry about that
Just send the King of England in. That's who the stupid gun nuts are afraid of. Good ol King of England.

Don't tell them he's dead and has been for 70 years.
And don't tell the yanks that the British are their allies.
 
Just send the King of England in. That's who the stupid gun nuts are afraid of. Good ol King of England.

Don't tell them he's dead and has been for 70 years.
And don't tell the yanks that the British are their allies.
Haha I was reading half of this thinking ‘yeah we don’t have a king’ until I read the end lol I’m glad Britain are allies with US. if we are ever in a rough scrape with another military giant we can count on Uncle Sam 👍
 
From reading about the American revolution, it was as much as civil war as a war with England. There were huge numbers of colonists who opposed independence, and a lot of them ended up as refugees in Canada. The Loyalist crew were a fierce bunch, both within the country and outside it. They cared a lot more than the British did, and they moved north with a great hatred of their neighbours. They were the original English speaking Canadian population, although waves of immigration since have made them less significant. From documents at the time, the British seemed to view the loss of the American colonies as predictable, if avoidable. For a while, they thought there'd be a counter-revolution and that they'd be back. . Since the English revolution and the restoration of the old order, a lot of the British rebels had gone to the Puritan regions of the future States, and they and the culture they'd contributed to were a thorn in their side. The 13 colonies had provided cover and support for men wanted for the killing of the king, and English religious politics were a thing in the future US. I think the Brits thought the revolutionaries would turn on themselves, and they'd pick up the pieces.

I recently read a biography of Benedict Arnold, to try to understand why he changed sides, then changed sides, then changed sides. There was a lot of it about, and he found it hard to represent the revolution in regions where it was no longer popular. He was a social climber, and was bought by wealthy Americans (not by the British) who opposed the rabble following Washington. It really was a civil war going on, pretty well like in every colony everywhere that fought out from under an empire.

When it didn't happen, the US became just another nation. After the north south war, when the US finally turned on itself but too late for the British to profit, they established Canada as they knew that without slavery, the US was going to grow very fast and become very aggressive, and they wanted to steer them away from the resources to the north.

From what I can see from travels and from the Brit expat community - no hard feelings about losing the land and people view the US as any people in any time have viewed powerful empires.

I figure this isn't politics because it's historical.
 
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From reading about the American revolution, it was as much as civil war as a war with England. There were huge numbers of colonists who opposed independence, and a lot of them ended up as refugees in Canada. The Loyalist crew were a fierce bunch, both within the country and outside it. They cared a lot more than the British did, and they moved north with a great hatred of their neighbours. They were the original English speaking Canadian population, although waves of immigration since have made them less significant. From documents at the time, the British seemed to view the loss of the American colonies as predictable, if avoidable. For a while, they thought there'd be a counter-revolution and that they'd be back. . Since the English revolution and the restoration of the old order, a lot of the British rebels had gone to the Puritan regions of the future States, and they and the culture they'd contributed to were a thorn in their side. The 13 colonies had provided cover and support for men wanted for the killing of the king, and English religious politics were a thing in the future US. I think the Brits thought the revolutionaries would turn on themselves, and they'd pick up the pieces.

I recently read a biography of Benedict Arnold, to try to understand why he changed sides, then changed sides, then changed sides. There was a lot of it about, and he found it hard to represent the revolution in regions where it was no longer popular. He was a social climber, and was bought by wealthy Americans (not by the British) who opposed the rabble following Washington. It really was a civil war going on, pretty well like in every colony everywhere that fought out from under an empire.

When it didn't happen, the US became just another nation. After the north south war, when the US finally turned on itself but too late for the British to profit, they established Canada as they knew that without slavery, the US was going to grow very fast and become very aggressive, and they wanted to steer them away from the resources to the north.

From what I can see from travels and from the Brit expat community - no hard feelings about losing the land and people view the US as any people in any time have viewed powerful empires.

I figure this isn't politics because it's historical.

A lot of the American Revolution, and the "civil war" aspect of it that Gary mentions, was about who the rightful authority was. America had local governors and legislative bodies. In most of the American colonies, these legislative bodies were locally elected rather than appointed by the crown, as was the case in many other British possessions.

As long as the locals served as advisors to the Crown and executors of his will, everything went relatively smoothly. The real tension started happening (and I am grossly oversimplifying for the sake of brevity) when these locally elected officials started thinking for themselves and contradicting the will of the Crown. This put Americans in a strange position. Most people of European extraction were Christians of various flavors who took seriously the various Biblical commands to obey worldly governing authorities, but when you have two contradicting authorities, which one should follow? The lines fell between those who saw the Crown as the rightful authority (who are we mere commoners to oppose the will of the King?) and those who considered rightful power to be the locally elected bodies (who does this guy halfway around the world think he is, telling us how much tea should cost?) The latter faction gained the upper hand, and that drastically shaped the course of the resulting nation. One could almost say that the divisions that plague our nation today are the same old argument: Central power vs. local control.

Probably shouldn't go any further than that, since the line between history and politics starts to get pretty fuzzy at this point. :)

Anyway, happy birthday, USA. My hometown has a fairly epic Independence Day celebration. Stuff is gonna go boom.
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