GuppyDude
Stephen
Definately keep us all updated. This is a very rare occassion, and im extreamly interested in how it finally turns out.
Good Golly!
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will someone fill me in. i didn't have time to read the post so im just courious, are these molly, guppy hybrid?
Nevergone815
Fish Herder
yes.
Darkmoon Bettas
Fish Fanatic
Day 9 update:
Still 6 fry, they all look pretty much identical--marbled coloring, dark dorsal and anal fins, a thin dark band at the base of the caudal and the rest of it clear, and slightly rosy "cheeks". From a distance they look like half-black guppies, the body behind the stomach is darker than the front, but a close look shows they are just marbled everywhere.
Unfortunately, their mother died today in her isolation tank. She never seemed to be quite right after giving birth--she was fairly old fo a first litter, and the fry were pretty large, so there will not be any further full sibing batches to this one.
4 fry are large, the other 2 are smaller. I pull 2 fry each time for the photo tank, randomly, which ever I can catch first, and this time it was one of each size. Although the focus isn't great, this photo shows the size comparison well.
The larger fry:
The smaller fry:
Still 6 fry, they all look pretty much identical--marbled coloring, dark dorsal and anal fins, a thin dark band at the base of the caudal and the rest of it clear, and slightly rosy "cheeks". From a distance they look like half-black guppies, the body behind the stomach is darker than the front, but a close look shows they are just marbled everywhere.
Unfortunately, their mother died today in her isolation tank. She never seemed to be quite right after giving birth--she was fairly old fo a first litter, and the fry were pretty large, so there will not be any further full sibing batches to this one.
4 fry are large, the other 2 are smaller. I pull 2 fry each time for the photo tank, randomly, which ever I can catch first, and this time it was one of each size. Although the focus isn't great, this photo shows the size comparison well.
The larger fry:
The smaller fry:
~T~
Fish Gatherer
TBH they just look like molly fry to me but I'm sure as they grow they will start showing guppy traits.
Darkmoon Bettas
Fish Fanatic
Nevergone815
Fish Herder
well you used male mollies and female guppies right?
maybe try having female mollies and male guppies?
it would be interesting to see if the male is what controls most of the traits and would explain why the fry look like mollies (the dad).
just a thought though...
Darkmoon Bettas
Fish Fanatic
I do feel these fry will develop more guppylike traits as they age--things like the irridescence and color on the body and coloring in the fins on guppies usually comes in with age,while molly fry are pretty much born colored, so I think they'll change some as they grow. Definately worth considering, and I may try it at some point in the future, to see about parental influence as you mentioned, and to see if eitherform is more strongly affected (or affecte d at all) by hybrid vigor or hybrid weakness (like "ligers" and "tigons"--the former is larger than either parent and thrives, while the latter usually reaches the size of the smaller parent,if that, and is overall weaker.) I did the experiment the way I did because it was easier to get probable virgin guppies than mollies at the time, but if I have the opportunity in the future, I'd be curious myself tosee if there was any difference.
Griz
Fish Herder
Fascinating!
Thanks for sharing this. I just came across the thread and will be following along with you!
Thanks for sharing this. I just came across the thread and will be following along with you!
~T~
Fish Gatherer
Yeh im not doubting them at all, im sure as they grow they will show some more guppy like traits(im hoping for a nice guppy sized tail).
In most of the hybrids I have bred been mostly the fathers characteristics that the young take.It would be interesting to try using a male guppy and a female molly.
In most of the hybrids I have bred been mostly the fathers characteristics that the young take.It would be interesting to try using a male guppy and a female molly.
Actually already there tails look more guppy like then molly like. My molly fry didn't have the wider tails for quite abit of time.
GuppyDude
Stephen
After these fry, id be interested in seeing you do it again, only with a male guppy and female molly.
Im amazed out how perfect the fry turned out, no spinal issues, no missing fin, i hope to see them as adults.
Im amazed out how perfect the fry turned out, no spinal issues, no missing fin, i hope to see them as adults.
pica_nuttalli
don't be a twit
you'd probably have better luck with the mother surviving if you used a female molly; female guppies are considerably smaller than female mollies. your guppy may have died as a result of internal trauma if the "muppy" fry were significantly larger than typical guppy fry.
GuppyDude
Stephen
I dunno Pica, some of my guppys have birthed some very large fry while they were just barely adults themselves.
§tudz
A True Oddball
yeah I'd agree with these comments, I was going to post this exact view, until I got ot to bottom and it had already been voiced.
very interesting thread...
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