Getting Fed Up With My Gold/green Stripe Corys

[Inchworm]

Hi mattlee

I never did find these corys to be anti-social at all, in fact, quite the contrary. Here's an old picture that was typical of their behavior when I had a big group of them.

It might just be that you haven't had your group long enough for them to be truly settled in yet. There are other advantages to a quarantine tank as well as being able to spot disease. Being placed in their own tank for a while gives them, especially ones that have been wild caught and transported all over the world, a chance to settle down and get used to the relative quite of life in a tank. If they have been run down, the attention and extra foods they get will strengthen them and this sense of well being will effect their behavior both at first and after they have been introduced to tankmates.

I would seriously try to get a tank large enough to hold both groups and keep them together. The more natural you can make their environment, the better it will probably be for them.

 

[mattlee]

Hi mattlee

I never did find these corys to be anti-social at all, in fact, quite the contrary. Here's an old picture that was typical of their behavior when I had a big group of them.

It might just be that you haven't had your group long enough for them to be truly settled in yet. There are other advantages to a quarantine tank as well as being able to spot disease. Being placed in their own tank for a while gives them, especially ones that have been wild caught and transported all over the world, a chance to settle down and get used to the relative quite of life in a tank. If they have been run down, the attention and extra foods they get will strengthen them and this sense of well being will effect their behavior both at first and after they have been introduced to tankmates.

I would seriously try to get a tank large enough to hold both groups and keep them together. The more natural you can make their environment, the better it will probably be for them.

Hi Inchworm,
my current stock has been together only about a month max but its the newest 4 i added that are the more active, the other 4 have been in the tank for 3/4 months now. it seems whenever i add new ones they go crazy and explore the tank all over but after a week or 2 they just seem to hide away and come out to feed and late at night....

if i was to put the corys all together to try and breed them what size tank would you suggest for them? when i get my new ones tomorrow i will have 13 golds and 2 greens in total. i will add sand and a few pieces of bogwood to the tank. what temp do these corys like best? i cant seem to find any accurate info about them! my com tank is at 24 degrees c, is this ok or is cooler better? any tips for breeding would be appreciated as there seems to be no info anywhere on these fish......

 

[jelloz]

becuase they are nt invisible in every tank, mine swima around ALL levels of the tank, and snuffle around in the sand searchinf for food. they even sleep on my moss and large anubias leaves.

now, yours are hiding either:

becuase they feel threatened by something (fish,invert or decor or you)
becuase your water isnt tip top
because there is something else wrong like they have nibbled tails etc.

alternatively, this is natural behaviour for corries, i dont see why you are complaining, did you not research before buying? by buying them you accept whatever the fish decides to do, if it hides then so be it, you should have checked first.
just becuase they are invisible doesnt mean they arent valued members of your tank, thng of the CUC they provide.
i could say well why breed owls, i never see them, the fact is they are nocturnal....

my betting is by constantly whacking the tank, you have made them even more skitish and scared so they feel if they come out they will be forced to run away again. Whacking the tank is probably THE worst thing you can do. I place my food for them in the middle of my foreground and quite far away from where they are currently settling, this means that they have to snuffle around to find it.

Did I write that I did not do any research on them? Please show me where I did. I must have missed it.
I know what natural behavior is for cories, I have others and have had them for 40 years.
OK, so I bought these in December of 2008. Show me ONE or TWO references where it says they hide more than other cories.
OWLS? who the heck is writing about OWLS?
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. I have tip toed around them for 9 months. I have written that already.
Please don't comment if you can't read and comprehend.

 

[Inchworm]

Before I say anything further to mattlee, I'm going to stop and warn the members about arguing on the forum, or jumping in the middle of something they might not fully understand. There has been too much of this going on here lately and if this thread gets out of line, I will not hesitate to give members a few days on Mod's Preview.

 

[Nick16]

lets not start here mate.

so what if you have tip toed around them, you still should not be bumping the tank every time you walk past, that is a total no no.

my owls were a metaphor for your corries if you read correctly. you said why try to breed an invisible fish? the answer is they are not invisible. then i said about owls, you could just say, well why breed them as they are invisible, they arent, its just that you dont often see them as they are skitish, camoflaged creatures. You could say well why try to breed sand gecko's as they are invisible, they arent its just that they are settled in and used to their natural habitat. (in their case they have adapted). Just because YOU cannot see a fish doesnt mean it is not there, everyone else might want to breed them so giving out some frankly mind boggling advice is confusing?

If its not their 'natural' instict to hide when someone bumps the tank (it would be like an earthquake), what is it then?
your bumping of the tank will make them massively more edgy, and will eventually, render them to stress balls. Furthermore, these actions will only cause them to hide more and you will be in a difficult downward spiral.
If its not that, there much be some other reason, is your tank in a main walkway area, or near a very bright light etc?
are all the water stats fine? inc temperature.
what else do you have in the tank?
what maintainence do you do per week?
what decor do you have in the tank...

 

[mattlee]

Before I say anything further to mattlee, I'm going to stop and warn the members about arguing on the forum, or jumping in the middle of something they might not fully understand. There has been too much of this going on here lately and if this thread gets out of line, I will not hesitate to give members a few days on Mod's Preview.

hear hear, well said Inchworm
alot of us want to learn, me being one of them, and places like this are invaluable to someone like myself. everything i have learnt about fish keeping has mainly come from very nice, helpfull people with plenty of experience that dont mind sharing hints, tips etc etc with people they dont even know. as we all know lfs are generally out there to make money and will tell people what they want to hear, with the odd exception, and this bad advice is very time consuming and can be very costly.
if all you want to do is argue then do it through pm, i am trying to find out more about my corys as i cant seem to find much data about the gold and green stripes either on the net or in books so peoples experience with them is very valuable to me so if you have no information that would be beneficial to me and others that read this topic then please keep your comments and arguements to yourself, if you do have any info that could help me about my corys then im all ears.
thanks, Matt

 

[Coryologist]

No argument, just a few points to consider.

1. In order to spawn a Cory, any Cory, you need to replicate their natural environment as closely as possible.

2. Even with that being accomplished, they may never spawn for you. If we knew what the secret was, we'd all be spawning every Cory, every week. I've had groups of Corys for 10 years and have never seen an egg. Maybe one day I will, maybe I won't. After 10 years, if anyone has the right to "whack the tank every time I walk by it," I think that would be me. lol.

3. This Cory in question is not difficult to spawn nor are they any more timid than most any other Cory. I do keep mine under low light, but they are always out and about shoaling nicely and pretty much ignore me when I walk past the tank.

4. I spawn hundreds of this particular fish. I don't even do anything to trigger them. I do regular WC's and condition with high quality foods. They lay their eggs on the glass and never eat them. Additionally, the fry are practically indestructible.

5. You have a great specie of Cory, but it might no be the right Cory for you. I have kept over 125 different species, now keep 85 and have spawned 60. I do not spawn fish to sell them and make money. I sell them because they have spawned. I treat each one as I would treat any defenseless creature that depends on me for its survival.

6. I am more than happy to help anyone with their Corys as I truly love them. That being said, I would not be anxious to help someone who holds their fish in such low regard as to be causing them stress and discomfort out of their own frustration and impatience. We have to accept the natural behavior of our fish and treat them well, if we are to be considered good fish keepers.

That was the only point I was trying to make. If you have any specific questions, I am happy to try and answer them for you. - Frank

 

[mattlee]

No argument, just a few points to consider.

1. In order to spawn a Cory, any Cory, you need to replicate their natural environment as closely as possible.

2. Even with that being accomplished, they may never spawn for you. If we knew what the secret was, we'd all be spawning every Cory, every week. I've had groups of Corys for 10 years and have never seen an egg. Maybe one day I will, maybe I won't. After 10 years, if anyone has the right to "whack the tank every time I walk by it," I think that would be me. lol.

3. This Cory in question is not difficult to spawn nor are they any more timid than most any other Cory. I do keep mine under low light, but they are always out and about shoaling nicely and pretty much ignore me when I walk past the tank.

4. I spawn hundreds of this particular fish. I don't even do anything to trigger them. I do regular WC's and condition with high quality foods. They lay their eggs on the glass and never eat them. Additionally, the fry are practically indestructible.

5. You have a great specie of Cory, but it might no be the right Cory for you. I have kept over 125 different species, now keep 85 and have spawned 60. I do not spawn fish to sell them and make money. I sell them because they have spawned. I treat each one as I would treat any defenseless creature that depends on me for its survival.

6. I am more than happy to help anyone with their Corys as I truly love them. That being said, I would not be anxious to help someone who holds their fish in such low regard as to be causing them stress and discomfort out of their own frustration and impatience. We have to accept the natural behavior of our fish and treat them well, if we are to be considered good fish keepers.

That was the only point I was trying to make. If you have any specific questions, I am happy to try and answer them for you. - Frank

thanks Frank some good points there. i know several people locally that want these corys so i thought i would give breeding a go...... i cant say im in it for the money because when you add up all the electricity, food, water, dechlor etc etc thats involved i would probably be at a loss! i guess its the next step in fish keeping for me and i just want to give it a go. i also have a pair of angels that are spawning every couple of weeks for me so i was going to try and raise their eggs too, they are in my main tank and the eggs only last about 3 days then are gone! possibly eaten by the parents!
what would be the ideal conditions and decor for them? sand and bogwood? what temp do they like? what plants, can i get away with plastic/silk?
i have so many questions as i cant find any info on these corys anywhere....... i dont even think they have been classified with a certain species name yet have they?

 

[Coryologist]

thanks Frank some good points there. i know several people locally that want these corys so i thought i would give breeding a go...... i cant say im in it for the money because when you add up all the electricity, food, water, dechlor etc etc thats involved i would probably be at a loss!

Very few people make money selling fish and fewer make a profit. I'm lucky, as I have 140 tanks and can devote full-time to it.

i guess its the next step in fish keeping for me and i just want to give it a go.

That's how must of us got started.

i also have a pair of angels that are spawning every couple of weeks for me so i was going to try and raise their eggs too, they are in my main tank and the eggs only last about 3 days then are gone! possibly eaten by the parents!

They become snacks for any fish in the tank. If you're serious about breeding them, successfully, you'll have to start hitting a whole new group of forums.

what would be the ideal conditions and decor for them? sand and bogwood?

My spawning tanks are generally 10 USG, fine sand, java moss as I do not use spawning mops, no wood, low light 74º F, on average, pH around 7.2 and medium hardness. THe best configuration id 2 females and 4 males.

what plants, can i get away with plastic/silk?

No. That won't fly. Not saying it CAN't happen - just sayin' I don't think it would.

i have so many questions as i cant find any info on these corys anywhere.......

Nope. Other successful breeders are your main source of knowledge.

i dont even think they have been classified with a certain species name yet have they?

No. Don't know which fish you have, but CW10 Peru Gold Stripe is what most people call "Orange Laser." Real Orange Laser is CW023, not seen often and much harder to spawn.

The most important ingredient? Patience. - Frank

 

[Inchworm]

The most important ingredient? Patience. - Frank

Absolutely! And, for some reason, that's the hardest point to get across to some people. While corys might, if mature and conditioned, respond to cold water changes by spawning, there is more to it than that. You can encourage them to spawn, but you can't force the situation.

No. Don't know which fish you have, but CW10 Peru Gold Stripe is what most people call "Orange Laser." Real Orange Laser is CW023, not seen often and much harder to spawn.

This is the problem with using common names....

Some time back, before the CW numbers started and the names C. schultzei were given to the black and gold shoulder corys, they were all lumped together as color variations of C. aeneus. This is one old article about them and there might have been others.

http/www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/s...?article_id=182

 

[jelloz]

The problem is solved.

 

[mattlee]

No. Don't know which fish you have, but CW10 Peru Gold Stripe is what most people call "Orange Laser." Real Orange Laser is CW023, not seen often and much harder to spawn.


my fish are CW010 and CW009.....

these are my newest additions

these are my oldest

 

[mattlee]

thanks Frank some good points there. i know several people locally that want these corys so i thought i would give breeding a go...... i cant say im in it for the money because when you add up all the electricity, food, water, dechlor etc etc thats involved i would probably be at a loss!

Very few people make money selling fish and fewer make a profit. I'm lucky, as I have 140 tanks and can devote full-time to it.

i guess its the next step in fish keeping for me and i just want to give it a go.

That's how must of us got started.

i also have a pair of angels that are spawning every couple of weeks for me so i was going to try and raise their eggs too, they are in my main tank and the eggs only last about 3 days then are gone! possibly eaten by the parents!

They become snacks for any fish in the tank. If you're serious about breeding them, successfully, you'll have to start hitting a whole new group of forums.

what would be the ideal conditions and decor for them? sand and bogwood?

My spawning tanks are generally 10 USG, fine sand, java moss as I do not use spawning mops, no wood, low light 74º F, on average, pH around 7.2 and medium hardness. THe best configuration id 2 females and 4 males.

what plants, can i get away with plastic/silk?

No. That won't fly. Not saying it CAN't happen - just sayin' I don't think it would.

i have so many questions as i cant find any info on these corys anywhere.......

Nope. Other successful breeders are your main source of knowledge.

i dont even think they have been classified with a certain species name yet have they?

No. Don't know which fish you have, but CW10 Peru Gold Stripe is what most people call "Orange Laser." Real Orange Laser is CW023, not seen often and much harder to spawn.

The most important ingredient? Patience. - Frank

Frank i have pm'd you a few questions mate, hope you dont mind.......?

 

[Coryologist]

Frank i have pm'd you a few questions mate, hope you dont mind.......?

PM'd you. - F.

 

[stephentw]

Thought I'd reply with my experience. I've got 4 gold stripes and 2 venezuala black's (think thats what they're called) and the gold's aren't shy at all, I can see 3 of them now all right at the front of my tank digging around and landing on my plants leaves. They do quite like to hide under my bogwood too sometimes but whenever I check on them I can see a few and they don't seem to swim into hiding when I go closer or open the lid.

The black ones seem far more easily frightened but I haven't had them as long and are getting better, they seem to like to hang out with the gold's too. All of mine are tank bred, I wonder if this makes a difference? I'd heard of someone with some green stripes wild caught that were very shy.

I've still had no luck getting hold of some green stripes I found them but it would have been £80 for 4, seems a tad pricey and wild caught so I'm wary about their shyness too.