FISHLESS CYCLING

It sounds like you are doing everything right. It just seems odd to me that ammonia doesn't increase when you add more ammonia! When we added more ammonia at the start of our cycle (link to stats in my sig) it made the concentration of ammonia in the tank go up...as logic would dictate. The ammonia only started going down once nitrites started coming up. I don't think it is something you have done wrong, I just always want to know the answer to everything and this seems an unanswerable thing!!!

The cycle will take longer without seeding, but just hang in there...as long as there is ammonia present all will be well in the end.
 
Is it possible to have 5ppm ammonia, 0ppm nitrite, and have nitrates present?

Do you think that I should do a nitrate test?

I'm going to jump the gun here. If I do have nitrates present, should I cut the dose of ammonia that I'm adding to my water in half, and go on with the process as if it was normal?
 
You could have nitrates present just from your tapwater so I wouldn't make any assumptions until you test your tap water as well. Our tapwater has 10ppm nitrate for example.

If your tank has more nitrates than your tap water then something must be happening in your tank to increase those nitrates.
 
OK, let me attempt to explain what might be going on here, assuming you are seeing lots of ammonia, no nitrite, and some nitrates which weren't there to start with. You already have a small colony present in the tank changing ammonia to nitrite. You also have a very small colony converting nitrite to nitrate. The colony producing the nitrite is still small so it is only converting a small fraction of the ammonia. The nitrite converting colony is converting it as soon as it available, hence you are not getting measureable nitrites but you are seeing nitrates. (Of course there could be nitrates in the tap water as well, i assume you have checked.) This has happened to me before, it's normal. Eventually the colony which is converting ammonia will catch up to the ammonia supply and flood the tank with nitrite, which will be more than the nitrite colony can handle and you'll get a nitrite spike about the same time as the ammonia spike drops.

Is it possible to have 5ppm ammonia, 0ppm nitrite, and have nitrates present?

Do you think that I should do a nitrate test?

I'm going to jump the gun here. If I do have nitrates present, should I cut the dose of ammonia that I'm adding to my water in half, and go on with the process as if it was normal?
Yeh, might as well check for nitrates if you are curious. Don't half your dose until you see a nitrite spike though. It will happen, just wait.

I know (beleive me, i know!) how trying this process can be. But in the end it is worth it. You'll have a huge bacterial bed that can support a full load of fish, so instead of tortuously adding fish 2 at a time for months and having to deal with quarantining them and emergency water changes to keep levels down as the bacterial bed adjusts, you can just add most or even all of the planned fish at once and never have to worry about stressing them with toxic waste products.

Some of you make this a little too complicated i think. I've cycled in this fashion several times and it's really very simple. Add ammonia the 1st day until you get 5ppm. Note the amount. Add that amount every day until you see the nitrites. Nitrites will arrive anywhere between a couple days if you have tons of seed material to several weeks if you are cycling a brand new tank with no seeding. Once you see nitrites, cut the dose in half and continue to add it everyday. Once the nitrites finally drop (again, this could take only a couple days or several weeks) then do water changes until your nitrates are reasonable and get fish. If for some reason you can't get fish right away, continue adding your maintenance dose until you can, don't forget the water changes at the end. If you stick to this recipe, don't modify it, don't do uneeded water changes, don't start over, etc i guarantee it will work. :thumbs:
 
Ok luxum,

I will keep adding the ammonia until I see the nitrites.
Now, please clear up what little confusion I have left of this process. In your posting you said that after I get my nitrite spike, cut the ammonia dose in half until the nitrite goes down to 0, then you said again, this could take a couple of days or several weeks.

Are you saying that not only could it take several weeks for the nitrite to spike, but it could take an addition several weeks for the nitrite level to drop?

How much stress do fish go through when you use them to cycle a new tank?
I have a friend who has a 36 gallon tank. She said that all she did was put the gravel in, hook all the equipment up, fill the tank up, let it sit for approximately a week. Then she added a few tetras, then a little while later she added some pictus cats, then glass fish. She told me that she lost 2 fish, but that was it. I went to her house, and the tank and fish are beautiful.
 
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Ok luxum,

I will keep adding the ammonia until I see the nitrites.
Now, please clear up what little confusion I have left of this process. In your posting you said that after I get my nitrite spike, cut the ammonia dose in half until the nitrite goes down to 0, then you said again, this could take a couple of days or several weeks.

Are you saying that not only could it take several weeks for the nitrite to spike, but it could take an addition several weeks for the nitrite level to drop?
Unfortunately, yes. The nitrite spike lasts even longer than the ammonia spike. :(
How much stress do fish go through when you use them to cycle a new tank?
Lots. Many fish can't live through the establishment period, and those that do suffer permanent gill damage and often shortened life spans. Some fish have a greater tolerance for this than others. I personally consider it very cruel to subject any fish to the establishment of the nitrogen cycle, but lots of people still do it.
 
I just read in another posting that if I were to raise the temperature of my water, this will speed up the process.
My water is currently at 80 degrees F. I'm going to raise it to 86 degrees F.
 

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