Fish keeping ethics - species

[DAnCSF]

I count it as a success that my fish are alive after a few months

and we are even more successful if they breed and or/grow bigger ;-)

 

[DAnCSF]

Just ask. My local MAQs keep detailed records of their purchases. As its a chain I suspect they all use the same system. If I buy fish from them I always ask where the fish came from, and they are able to tell me if they are wild caught or bred, and which country they came from. They also can (and will) tell you what date they were received at the store. Staff are a mix of dedicated fish enthusiasts (many of whom are breeders too) and people who just needed a job. Its easy to tell them apart.

You got a great LFS there, and as consumers we need to \find them and patronize them.

 

[ClownLurch]

Wild caught are more expensive and labelled on the tank as such in my local MAQs to let you know why they cost more than the same fish around the corner.
I don’t even look at the wild caught section. In my lfs they’re opposite the African Rift Lake fish which means I skip that entire part of the store.

WCMMs don’t exist in their original habitat due to river pollution apparently. They’ve been “discovered” surviving in a neighbouring river system though. Yeah right.

 

[Gypsum]

Just ask. My local MAQs keep detailed records of their purchases. As its a chain I suspect they all use the same system. If I buy fish from them I always ask where the fish came from, and they are able to tell me if they are wild caught or bred, and which country they came from. They also can (and will) tell you what date they were received at the store. Staff are a mix of dedicated fish enthusiasts (many of whom are breeders too) and people who just needed a job. Its easy to tell them apart.

Aye. Most of the staff at my nearest Maidenhead seem pretty unenthusiastic. They definitely give an air of being people who just needed a job. There's one further away which has a couple staff members who are clearly enthusiasts, but at that point, I might as well schlep to the small independent shop.

 

[Utar]

Leave to me, to always be, the messenger of bad news.

Haaa humans we multiply, clear the land and forever change nature and the local ecosystems. This has go on for hundreds of thousands of years, you and I are here today for the same reasons, and it will go on for thousands of years yet to come. That is just the nature of the human race.

The population of the world just over two thousand years ago is estimated to be around 300 million. That is the population of the US today with the world population of around 7.8 billion. In just one hundred years from now the population of the world will increase to around 11 billion. So more land will need to be cleared for food and living spaces, until one day the rain forest in the Amazon is nothing more then another New York, Central Park.

 

[DAnCSF]

Leave to me, to always be, the messenger of bad news.

Haaa humans we multiply, clear the land and forever change nature and the local ecosystems. This has go on for hundreds of thousands of years, you and I are here today for the same reasons, and it will go on for thousands of years yet to come. That is just the nature of the human race.

The population of the world just over two thousand years ago is estimated to be around 300 million. That is the population of the US today with the world population of around 7.8 billion. In just one hundred years from now the population of the world will increase to around 11 billion. So more land will need to be cleared for food and living spaces, until one day the rain forest in the Amazon is nothing more then another New York, Central Park.

Oh great as if CV and the Turmp Cult members weren't enuff..now I'm going to take my Xanax...thank Utar

 

[Utar]

Oh great as if CV and the Turmp Cult members weren't enuff..now I'm going to take my Xanax...thank Utar

Your welcome and if it is any consolation to you that by the time all this passes you and I will be long gone. Told ya I was the messenger of bad news....lol

 

[2tank]

Leave to me, to always be, the messenger of bad news.

Haaa humans we multiply, clear the land and forever change nature and the local ecosystems. This has go on for hundreds of thousands of years, you and I are here today for the same reasons, and it will go on for thousands of years yet to come. That is just the nature of the human race.

The population of the world just over two thousand years ago is estimated to be around 300 million. That is the population of the US today with the world population of around 7.8 billion. In just one hundred years from now the population of the world will increase to around 11 billion. So more land will need to be cleared for food and living spaces, until one day the rain forest in the Amazon is nothing more then another New York, Central Park.

You can eat pleco

 

[DAnCSF]

You can eat pleco

Leave to me, to always be, the messenger of bad news.

Haaa humans we multiply, clear the land and forever change nature and the local ecosystems. This has go on for hundreds of thousands of years, you and I are here today for the same reasons, and it will go on for thousands of years yet to come. That is just the nature of the human race.

The population of the world just over two thousand years ago is estimated to be around 300 million. That is the population of the US today with the world population of around 7.8 billion. In just one hundred years from now the population of the world will increase to around 11 billion. So more land will need to be cleared for food and living spaces, until one day the rain forest in the Amazon is nothing more then another New York, Central Park.

On the plus side of the invasive Plecos in FL, if one has a big tank one can get the plecos for free. Why buy when you can catch them yourself eh....I've heard that in FL tropical fish can be found in all the byways and canals due to escapees from the fish farms.

 

[PheonixKingZ]

I'm thinking SA Pacus, Sturgeons, gars etc....To me the real problem is when the pet Pacu becomes too large the owner may have recourse but to dump it in a local lake....

There is a huge Pacu at my LFS, it’s beautiful, but it’s probably wild caught.

I don’t really support wild caught animals, even if is legal to do so. (Blue Tangs are what comes to my mind first. Lion Fish may be a close second. It’s just so hard to recreate the breeding stump of tangs, that’s why people catch the, wild, and then sell them for a mint)

 

[DAnCSF]

There is a huge Pacu at my LFS, it’s beautiful, but it’s probably wild caught.
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I don’t really support wild caught animals, even if is legal to do so. (Blue Tangs are what comes to my mind first. Lion Fish may be a close second. It’s just so hard to recreate the breeding stump of tangs, that’s why people catch the, wild, and then sell them for a mint)

As some of the posts note wild caught vs farmed, is full of nuances. I've had that discussion with my LFS, and he agrees it's all very complicated. But generally most freshwater tropical fish are tank raised. Where it comes to be a problem, is that we as consumers want more status fish, fish that are rare etc...$$$ wise they are the most profitable...but how do you sustain the wild population if they are all caught? Yup life is a complicated. If one is doing salt water I've been told the cheapest fish to get are those orange clown fish..i.e. nemo...most are tank bred these days....

 

[PheonixKingZ]

I've been told the cheapest fish to get are those orange clown fish..i.e. nemo...most are tank bred these days....

Only $15 per clown at my LFS. (Unless it’s a special variety, e.i. Black, Ghost, “Jacketed”, etc.)