Well it was an idea. Still no other deaths
Finding half eaten fish
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Understood...and good to hear of no more deaths
Nope, cories don't protect their eggs. They'll eat them if they happen to bumble across them. They seem to a pretty short-term memory when it comes to their eggs!
@2loud Which species of cory? Any plans to try to save the eggs and raise some wrigglers? They're adorable when they go from looking like little insects, to actual tiny little fish!
Pandas. Not planning at this point until the other issue is straightened out for sure. They look infertile, but waiting to be sure. BTW, no dead fish. If this continues, the thread can be put to rest. I don't know how to end the thread though. Thanks for asking about the corys
Pandas. Not planning at this point until the other issue is straightened out for sure. They look infertile, but waiting to be sure. BTW, no dead fish. If this continues, the thread can be put to rest. I don't know how to end the thread though. Thanks for asking about the corys
Aaww, you could easily sell Pandas! But, entirely up to you whether you want the hassle of raising them.
No need to officially put the thread to rest. They just die out and get bumped down when people stop posting in it.
So, no deaths for 4 days, today I found an 10 mo old cory floating, and a guppy almost dead. Entire rest of tank still has no signs of disease. Left are ember neon and black tetras and some long fin zebra danios, 2 pandas and a pleco. If it's a disease I'm not getting a warning, and seems strange the smallest aren't being affected first.
Anyway checked parameters, all excellent, temp is 77 to 78. Filters are clean, and added a new purugen wed . This is sunday. How would I treat tank and filters for unknown disease? Do I clear entire tank and start over?
Anyway checked parameters, all excellent, temp is 77 to 78. Filters are clean, and added a new purugen wed . This is sunday. How would I treat tank and filters for unknown disease? Do I clear entire tank and start over?
Without any visible signs, I guess you could try a broad spectrum antibiotic in case it works - but I hate even suggesting that, since the mis-use of antibiotics is leading to deaths for people and large scale antibiotic resistance.
I've used eSHa 2000 and found it to be an effective antibacterial, without being an antibiotic. It certainly had an effect since it knocked back my filter bacteria too, and meant riding out a mini cycle for 4-5 days after using it, but it worked and I was prepared for that, so as long as you're prepared to manage that with large daily water changes, it's not a problem.
I might try salt treatment, on the basis that it can be effective against many things.
Double check that contamination isn't the issue. No cleaning products or sprays or anything being used on or near the tank. One friend lost a lot of her fish because her small child loved to poke his fingers into the tank so the fish would nibble on them, and he still had hand sanitiser on his hands from their shopping trip. It was awful. Be aware of any potential contaminant - tank decor that has bubbling paint, other people touching the tank etc.
Otherwise, wiping down the glass, thoroughly gravel vaccing the substrate, and doing large daily water changes is your best change of reducing the number of disease organisms in the tank, while the fresh water boosts the fishes' immune systems and gives them the best chance of fighting off whatever it is.
With no symptoms beyond finding dead fish, and with the water itself apparently not being an issue, we're flying as blind as you are, I'm afraid.
I've used eSHa 2000 and found it to be an effective antibacterial, without being an antibiotic. It certainly had an effect since it knocked back my filter bacteria too, and meant riding out a mini cycle for 4-5 days after using it, but it worked and I was prepared for that, so as long as you're prepared to manage that with large daily water changes, it's not a problem.
I might try salt treatment, on the basis that it can be effective against many things.
Double check that contamination isn't the issue. No cleaning products or sprays or anything being used on or near the tank. One friend lost a lot of her fish because her small child loved to poke his fingers into the tank so the fish would nibble on them, and he still had hand sanitiser on his hands from their shopping trip. It was awful. Be aware of any potential contaminant - tank decor that has bubbling paint, other people touching the tank etc.
Otherwise, wiping down the glass, thoroughly gravel vaccing the substrate, and doing large daily water changes is your best change of reducing the number of disease organisms in the tank, while the fresh water boosts the fishes' immune systems and gives them the best chance of fighting off whatever it is.
With no symptoms beyond finding dead fish, and with the water itself apparently not being an issue, we're flying as blind as you are, I'm afraid.
It's the perfect time of year for this.
@TwoTankAmin posted as complete and thorough a response as anyone could given the circumstances.
I have another issue to comment on, the rams. You said they are now in another tank, are they on their own, or are there other fish? I ask not so much thinking of "disease" spreading (though that is a possibility if they are in with other fish), but an issue with temperature. The species Mikrogeophagus ramirezi which includes all the varieties including the German Blue mentioned here needs warmth. It should be housed in water that is in the range 80-86F/27-30C. preferably mid-range. [The other "ram," the Bolivian, is M. altispinosus and does not demand this high a temperature, just for the record.] Kept at lower temperatures such as the 77F mentioned in this thread, the common (German, blue, gold, etc) ram will not last long, maybe a few months, but certainly not the 4-5 years it should. At least, I have never come across any reliable data that it will live this long in less than 80F/27C. If the two are on their own, you might consider increasing the temperature and leaving them in their own tank.
There are some fish that can manage long-term at these higher temperatures, but not most of those mentioned in post #1 of this thread. Danios, neon tetras, and cories cannot be housed at or above 80F/27C, preferably in the mid-70's. Black neons would be at the upper limit of their range at 80F and this is not advisable long-term.
I have another issue to comment on, the rams. You said they are now in another tank, are they on their own, or are there other fish? I ask not so much thinking of "disease" spreading (though that is a possibility if they are in with other fish), but an issue with temperature. The species Mikrogeophagus ramirezi which includes all the varieties including the German Blue mentioned here needs warmth. It should be housed in water that is in the range 80-86F/27-30C. preferably mid-range. [The other "ram," the Bolivian, is M. altispinosus and does not demand this high a temperature, just for the record.] Kept at lower temperatures such as the 77F mentioned in this thread, the common (German, blue, gold, etc) ram will not last long, maybe a few months, but certainly not the 4-5 years it should. At least, I have never come across any reliable data that it will live this long in less than 80F/27C. If the two are on their own, you might consider increasing the temperature and leaving them in their own tank.
There are some fish that can manage long-term at these higher temperatures, but not most of those mentioned in post #1 of this thread. Danios, neon tetras, and cories cannot be housed at or above 80F/27C, preferably in the mid-70's. Black neons would be at the upper limit of their range at 80F and this is not advisable long-term.
As I live in Texas, my water supply from the city cold water is 78 to 79 degrees.. . It is treated with prime. It never gets below 77.2 on occasion when I am working on tank. Having watched it closely due to the current issue it has been running 78.4 to 79, which would seem a tolerable spread . The heaters are set to on at 77., so it can't get lower. Rams I can set at 80, and they are in a quarantine at the moment of 20 gal by themselves. My research prior to getting them was between 78 and 85 degrees so running a general 78.4 to 79 was within recommended specs. Getting anything below 77 has always been the issue here,which is why I didn't house golfish any longer. Even with no heaters. Appreciate the concern tho. Thinking of clearing tank and starting a species specific instead of community tank at this point
The rams without question must have warmth; it should never drop below 80F, and preferably be at 82F or above. Sources with lower temperature are not reliable, if you want to post which I'll take a look though it doesn't really matter, they are not accurate. The 20g would serve them well, though I'm not sure the genders are confirmed if I read things correctly. Twomales would, if each decided to exercise his "right," result in one dead before long. Two females, depends. A male/female, also depends, if they bond or not.
One habitat observation was at 10 am in the morning on March 15, and the water temperature was 28.5C (83F) with an overcast day and air temperature was reported as "relatively cool" at 31C (88F). This was in the morning, and on a "cool" day. Temperature drives a fish's metabolism, and a degree or two can make all the difference.
One habitat observation was at 10 am in the morning on March 15, and the water temperature was 28.5C (83F) with an overcast day and air temperature was reported as "relatively cool" at 31C (88F). This was in the morning, and on a "cool" day. Temperature drives a fish's metabolism, and a degree or two can make all the difference.
They seem happy. They aren't stressed. I appreciate the temperature ranges. I have raised fish in as many as 10 tanks before, but never had the current odd seeming issue losing 1 or 2 fish every few days. I have had fish in my home since the early 90s. I will continue monitoring and water changes to see if it improves over the next few weeks. Otherwise, I will have to restart.
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