ShinySideUp
Fish Herder
Well, I think the general consensus is that given a vote on 'in' or 'out' of Europe, the 'outs' have it with a large majority in this little straw poll.
Up until a few months ago I would have definitely voted to stay in even if I disagreed with the way the Euro government is run but now I think the damage has been done with the closing of borders and the lack of support for Greece and Italy in managing the influx of migrants. We have been overrun by economic and opportunist migrants masquerading as legitimate refugees. I am quite willing to aid refugees but many of these people came to Europe from Turkey and were therefore already in a safe country and yet on they came, trying to get to a country they fancied and then metaphorically trashing it (viz. Cologne on New Years Eve for example). Our services cannot cope and our apparent 'tolerance' of foreign faiths and cultures has led to many British people being strangers in their own country.
I am genuinely not racist but I am 'culturist'. If I went to Abu Dhabi (and I have) I am expected to observe the tenets of their culture, our 'tolerance' has meant that we observe other cultures over our own in our own country lest we be seen to be racist and/or cause 'offence' to anyone except our own people. I am not Christian (or any other faith) but I respect that this is -- or was -- a Christian society with Christian values, values that I really want to preserve and not at the expense of our own sovereignty.
It seems to me that regardless of what David Cameron achieves regarding negotiations with Europe we are finished with it as a full member and we might as well get on and vote on it this year.
Thank you all for your arguments both for and against (arguments as in points for discussion).
PS. One thing about the migrants that has me puzzled: Why do some of them want to get to Finland? Do they like the dark and the cold?
Up until a few months ago I would have definitely voted to stay in even if I disagreed with the way the Euro government is run but now I think the damage has been done with the closing of borders and the lack of support for Greece and Italy in managing the influx of migrants. We have been overrun by economic and opportunist migrants masquerading as legitimate refugees. I am quite willing to aid refugees but many of these people came to Europe from Turkey and were therefore already in a safe country and yet on they came, trying to get to a country they fancied and then metaphorically trashing it (viz. Cologne on New Years Eve for example). Our services cannot cope and our apparent 'tolerance' of foreign faiths and cultures has led to many British people being strangers in their own country.
I am genuinely not racist but I am 'culturist'. If I went to Abu Dhabi (and I have) I am expected to observe the tenets of their culture, our 'tolerance' has meant that we observe other cultures over our own in our own country lest we be seen to be racist and/or cause 'offence' to anyone except our own people. I am not Christian (or any other faith) but I respect that this is -- or was -- a Christian society with Christian values, values that I really want to preserve and not at the expense of our own sovereignty.
It seems to me that regardless of what David Cameron achieves regarding negotiations with Europe we are finished with it as a full member and we might as well get on and vote on it this year.
Thank you all for your arguments both for and against (arguments as in points for discussion).
PS. One thing about the migrants that has me puzzled: Why do some of them want to get to Finland? Do they like the dark and the cold?