Emergency--lots Of Parasites--urgent Help Needed!

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Hi all. I have a 55gal tank with 1 common pleco and 1 axelotl in it. BUT now I have a big problem. I have had little brown worms for a few months now, which I understand are not dangerous. ( They turn into banana flies at one point) Then last week I noticed a snail, and on closer inspection,there is gonna be lots&lots more (even tho I keep picking them of). And now, the worst of all, this morning I noticed tiny white worms on tank's glass surfaces. They are minuscule, but if I stare at them carefully, I can see that they move! Heeelp!! So I have 3 different parasites in my tank!

A friend of mine visited who has experience in tank- keeping, and said I most likely have to empty and dis-infect the whole tank, and throw away all the live plants etc. And while doing this I have to put pleco & axelotl in a big bowl etc ( I don't have a hospital tank). I could of course do that ,no problem. But my worry is, after I disinfect the whole tank, it means I will lose all the beneficial bacteria! So my tank will be uncycled. How can I deal with this situation with causing my fish as little stress as possible??? Heeelp!!!

Other info: Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 25, PH 8,2
 
I dont think theres much to panic about as the little worms on the glass are probably planaria which are in most aquariums anyway. You see more of them if you feed too much and dont gravel the vac as thoroughly as you should.
How much are you feeding your axi and plec and how much and how often do you do water changes? What kind of filter do you have and how often and how do you clean it?
How big is your plec?
 
I agree with blackangel.....don't panic. The little white worms are most likely nothing to worry about.....I had them for a while in my 45\gal until i introduced my fish, who must have eaten them, maybe your fish don't like worms!
Snails can be a pain but they can be dealt with.....don't resort to chemicals or emptying the tank, there should be no need for that.
If you have room, clown loachs will sort out the snails very quickly.
To repeat the good advice above, feed less, clean more and you should see an improvement soon...
 
Thanks! I hope you are right! Am so worried of my little ones! Especiallt the fly worms are taking over, they are everywhere.The pleco is about 6' and I feed him 1 Hikari biscuit in the evening. Axelotl is about 5' and I give her between 1/4 to 1/2 cube of frozen bloodworm a day.
I hoover the tank once a week, while I also do a water change of about 20-25%. I can't remember the make of filter, but I clean it about once about 6 weeks. Is that enough?

Loach I wouldn't mind buying, I like them actually. But would they be ok with the axelotl? Mostly axelotl's are kept in a species tank, as they skin is so sensitive, and they can't cope with other fish nipping at the, but become ill. My pleco is no problem as he is very shy and timid, and is actually scared of the axelotl!!
 
Ok, well, I don't keep plecs or axelotl so i won't give fish specific advice. Clown loaches are about the most peaceful fish IME, but they can be very active so maybe you would need to research that more....but they are a good solution to a snail problem if you have room for them. They can get quite big, given time (up to 12 inches and more and can live for 40 years) so be sure before you go down that road, but they are lovely fish.
I would try not feeding for a day or two a week and see if that makes a difference. I feed my community every second day, or less, if i'm away..... no bugs in my tank anymore. Your fish won't starve and they should be healthier for it....let us know how you get on?
 
hiya,
i agree with everyone. do not panic! the only thing i think you should do is make sure there arent any bits of uneaten food about immediately after they feed. the number of planaria will gradually go down if there isnt enough uneaten food to support their population. another thing i should warn you about it that when your axolotl gets bigger (which she will!) the loach will be a tasty treat for her and in the meantime the loach might suck at the axies flesh. a couple of things you might find helpful:

www.axolotl.org
and
www.caudata.org/forum

im a member of that forum. its really helpful if you have any troubles with the axie. these people are experts. hope to see you around. good luck!! :D
 
There's no need to panic.
I'm guessing here you bought some live plants? If you didn't see any snails when you put the plants in your tank then there were egg masses on the plants. They look like spots of clear jelly. Snails will lay eggs on darn near anything!
I've not had good luck keeping live plants but when I did I almost always had snails. I smashed them against the side of the tank....the fish loved them!
They do multiply rapidly & the only way I got rid of them was to tear down the tank, clean everything & pitch the plants.....they laid eggs on the sides of the glass & I just couldn't keep up with it.

If you have the space set up another tank & have it ready for your fish when you decide if & when you will tear the other tank down....it's always good to have a spare tank anyway....
I only have 3 of the 6 I have set up now (for lack of space, time & energy) but I used to have at least 7 many years ago when I was big into fish keeping....2 X 100 gal 1x50, 1X20 & the others were smaller ones, 15 gal down to a 2.5 gal. Back then I didn't have a full time job other than child rearing, taking care of the hawks, raccoons, dogs & any other animal my ex brought home! :hyper:
Priscilla
 
Many thanks everybody! That has calmed me down a lot! I cleaned the filter,hoovered lots and put my poor pleco and axelotl on a diet= they're fasting and going without food for a couple of days to see if that helps to get rid of the worms. Pleco is hiding as usual, but axelotl keeps walking around non stop looking for food. I feel bit quilty, but if it helps to get rid of the worms, will be worth it. Will keep you posted :huh:
 
As a way of dealing with snails.....found this on applesnail.net

NOT THE AUTHOR OF THE BELOW TEXT:

Aquaria and ponds

Prevention
Use Clean Planting Material
Inspect new plant material carefully for eggs and snails.
For better guard against snails and their eggs, one could use a weak potassium permanganate solution of 10 mg/l. Bath the plants in this solution for about 15 minutes and rinse the plants thoroughly with running water after the bathing. This will kill all snails and eggs.
Another option is to use snail-killing chemicals that are sold in pet shops. Use the recommended dose mentioned of the package and put the plants in this solution for 2 to 3 days before introducing them in your aquarium.

Food reduction
Only feed the fish as much as they can eat within a few minutes. When there are no food excess, the snail population will stay stable and won't cause much troubles (at least if they don't eat the plants).



Controlling the population

Manual removal
Hand picking won't eliminate all snails, but it's a good option to control population excesses.
Remove the snails as you see them by hand or crush them against the glass. The fish will eat the crushed snails so there is no need to remove the food excess. Crushing, however, is not recommended with though snails as Melanoides snails (trumpet snails) and with large snails.
To facilitate the hand picking a bait can be used. Put some lettuce or potato pieces in the tank and dim the light for a few hours. Many snails are attracted by the bait and will collect on it, which makes it easier to remove the snails.
Another option is to use a 35mm film canister with holes in the lid and some bait like lettuce, fish food or bread in it. The snails will enter the baited trap and can be removed without much trouble.
The advantage of the canister method is that it enables you to use baits that strongly attract snails like fish food, without having the bait eaten by the fish.

Complete tear down of the tank
This very drastic method is one of the best methods if you want to remove *all* snails from an aquarium, but for most of us, it the last option if all other methods fail.
A complete tear down means removal of the fish and the water, taking out all vegetation and collect the bottom material.
All fish should be put in a separated tank with adequate water quality. A good option is to use the water from the tank as the fish are already adapted to this water.
Remove all snails and eggs from the plants and after that they should be threatened with a weak potassium permanganate bath (see above) or another snail killing bath.
The gravel should be boiled to kill all snails and their eggs that are hiding in here.
Clean all other objects thoroughly and clean the tanks itself as well (don't use detergents for this!). A good sponge and warm water should do it.
The filter should be cleaned as well (obvious): put the filter without filter material in the 10 mg/l potassium permanganate solution for one hour (with the filter running). Rinse the filter with clean water and put in new filter material.
After all this the aquarium environment can be put together again.
Note!: The cleaned aquarium needs some time to rebalance again and the fish should only be reintroduced after this period (3 days to a week). Use a part of the old water to speed up the balancing.

Snail eating fish
The introduction of snail eating fish can help to control the snail population.
Not all snail eating fish are equally good in removing snails and some fish are great snails eaters, but aren't well suited for most aquaria. An example of the latter are puffer, which primary feed on snails, but also tend to get aggressive towards other fish.
A list of snail eating fish is available at the Ecology section of this site.

Chemical
There are many products available for extinguish snails from aquaria, but I won't recommend these as they are not healthy for the fish, plants and other creatures and the massive die off of the snails could create serious problems for the water quality.
If you go for this option, follow the instruction carefully and do regular water changes after the treatment. Check the ammonia levels during the treatment as these can rise to dangerous levels as a result of the decaying snail bodies.
Rather use the chemical warfare option if all other methods fail.

Andy
 
Thanks again for your really valuable info! From now on I will buy that thing to use on new plants I buy. And Blinky000, I have now also registered to axolotl board, lots of good advice! What really spooks me is that you put them in the fridge when they are ill??Huh?I got plenty to learn!!

Ok, and the good news is.....I haven't put any food to my tank for 2 days, and I can see a difference! There is less worms!! But somebody is not happy,haha. By that I mean either the pleco or the axolotl, I don't know which. But one of them had uprooted a lot of plants last night, plants with big roots! I didn't know one of them is so strong! Or maybe they did it together,haha. Well, tonight they will finally get food, so that should calm them down

The snails I keep picking off by hand
 

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