Eheim 2078 Pro 3E

[raptorrex]

i like the juwel internals, ok - on there own they are not up to the job, but running alongside a external they are good, they need more maintenance than externals but the amount of gunk that collects in the sponges must mean they are doing good. IMHO

if your tank is below 150l the big juwel will be fine for, low stocking, with some plants. as for filtering a 400l tank. . only in dreams. as such, even with a second filter, all it does is take up space.IMO

 

[salty pig]

i like the juwel internals, ok - on there own they are not up to the job, but running alongside a external they are good, they need more maintenance than externals but the amount of gunk that collects in the sponges must mean they are doing good. IMHO

if your tank is below 150l the big juwel will be fine for, low stocking, with some plants. as for filtering a 400l tank. . only in dreams. as such, even with a second filter, all it does is take up space.IMO

So the rule of thumb is, A filter should be capable of pumping x 5 the volume of the tank per hr. So in Mr Spoons case he isn't reaching the target without buying another Eheim. If it was my tank I would carry on with the single Eheim and do regular 20 % water changes every 5 days and keep a note on quality of the water. If you do start having problems then ya gunna have to add another filter. Can you let me know when your filter does come as im interested to know whether it comes with the media. I did try to ring zooplus but I quickly ended the call when I realised that I was talking to someone in Germany, but from reading up on there return procedure if it's broken they seem very good. Thanks

 

[Mr Spoon]

i like the juwel internals, ok - on there own they are not up to the job, but running alongside a external they are good, they need more maintenance than externals but the amount of gunk that collects in the sponges must mean they are doing good. IMHO

if your tank is below 150l the big juwel will be fine for, low stocking, with some plants. as for filtering a 400l tank. . only in dreams. as such, even with a second filter, all it does is take up space.IMO

So the rule of thumb is, A filter should be capable of pumping x 5 the volume of the tank per hr. So in Mr Spoons case he isn't reaching the target without buying another Eheim. If it was my tank I would carry on with the single Eheim and do regular 20 % water changes every 5 days and keep a note on quality of the water. If you do start having problems then ya gunna have to add another filter. Can you let me know when your filter does come as im interested to know whether it comes with the media. I did try to ring zooplus but I quickly ended the call when I realised that I was talking to someone in Germany, but from reading up on there return procedure if it's broken they seem very good. Thanks

Soon as it arrives I will post here to let you know if it comes with media.

 

[waterdrop]

i have it, it's a good filter , works efficiently and quietly. I run mine along side an fx5 on a 450-500 litre tank. Flow doesnt seem to compare with the fx5 so if i was to choose one go with the fx5

Hey A4L, if you happen to see this, which is quieter, the 2078 Pro3e or the FX5? (since you have them side by side..) WD

 

[Mr Spoon]

Info for Saltypig. Filter was delivered yesterday and hasn't come with filter media.

 

[raptorrex]

Info for Saltypig. Filter was delivered yesterday and hasn't come with filter media.

they are sold without media, unless the advert states otherwise. but, reasonable costs (£35, or so) kits are available. they are even cheaper off of Ebay.(usually)

there is cheaper (then eheim) media out there. but, IME for these filters, you are best with the makers product. but its not all bad. if you by the Eheim. you will not need to replace anything, except the white pads, for many many years.

 

[jacko32]

theres a guy auctioning off full sets of eheim media on ebay starting price 99p they usually sell around £10 to buy from a shop its £25 a set it might be worth a look

 

[always4lora]

i have it, it's a good filter , works efficiently and quietly. I run mine along side an fx5 on a 450-500 litre tank. Flow doesnt seem to compare with the fx5 so if i was to choose one go with the fx5

Hey A4L, if you happen to see this, which is quieter, the 2078 Pro3e or the FX5? (since you have them side by side..) WD

The 2078e is quieter running at its standard speed but when you set the output to the max there is not much differernce between the two, neither are noisey


As a rule of thumb go with 5x turn over the hour is a pretty safe bet , mines around 8-10 times an hour , it allows for more stocking options, easier at water changes as you dont need to wurry about a filter being of for a few minutes while you clean it and if one breaks down the others there running and cycled.
I also have a water pump in my tank to help the circulation.

 

[salty pig]

Info for Saltypig. Filter was delivered yesterday and hasn't come with filter media.

they are sold without media, unless the advert states otherwise. but, reasonable costs (£35, or so) kits are available. they are even cheaper off of Ebay.(usually)

there is cheaper (then eheim) media out there. but, IME for these filters, you are best with the makers product. but its not all bad. if you by the Eheim. you will not need to replace anything, except the white pads, for many many years.

I was informed by the Eheim main import agent that the media is best changed every 12 months. The guy said that the micro pores get clogged up and they end up not being able to house the bacteria. Boiling the media does nothing. How true that is god only knows.. Im not entirely happy at the thought of doing this. I suppose a way around it is to keep a diary of how the levels are and do regular water changes. When the tank water does start to become unstable then change 50% of the media, or change a basket every 6 months. Im a bit lost .

 

[waterdrop]

Oh well! Here it is then! I've always thought we should get a whole special topic going on this subject. Lots and lots of searches and reading about media and filters on TFF has always turned up frequent comments by many (who from other posts I'm confident are experienced aquarists) who say that good biological media can last for decades and that indeed, they run sponges until they begin to break down and ceramics can sometimes last their whole hobby lifetime.

But sometimes there are comments around the edges and I've wondered myself whether it might not be a good thing to very gradually work in some fresh media over time. The thing of pores getting clogged up gets mentioned from time to time. Sometimes, some of the media gets refreshed because some of the mature stuff is given away to someone for cycling, and perhaps this is a good thing for the donor tank.

Further thoughts on this?

~~waterdrop~~

 

[salty pig]

Oh well! Here it is then! I've always thought we should get a whole special topic going on this subject. Lots and lots of searches and reading about media and filters on TFF has always turned up frequent comments by many (who from other posts I'm confident are experienced aquarists) who say that good biological media can last for decades and that indeed, they run sponges until they begin to break down and ceramics can sometimes last their whole hobby lifetime.

But sometimes there are comments around the edges and I've wondered myself whether it might not be a good thing to very gradually work in some fresh media over time. The thing of pores getting clogged up gets mentioned from time to time. Sometimes, some of the media gets refreshed because some of the mature stuff is given away to someone for cycling, and perhaps this is a good thing for the donor tank.

Further thoughts on this?

~~waterdrop~~

There are several points which this topic holds One is " Which is best Eheim or Fluval , Mechanical or Biological" Which ever you choose 9 times out of 10 it's going to require either specialised servicing or special mixes which end up costing you a lot of money. Every hobby or leisure industry does this, It's what keeps the industry alive. What we've got to establish is how long does the media last in an Eheim before it is rendered useless. If the Media is to be replaced do you buy the Media from Eheim at £40 to £50 per filter? Or do you buy from some Ebay shop in Kong Hong where you know It looks the same, but is it doing the right job?. And yes there are a few fish keepers out there who have plonked some old media in there filter and never had any problems.I dont really want to go down the road of what the advantages or disadvantages are of using someone else's media. The questions are What media is best suited for an Eheim and how regularly Should the media be disturbed for maintenance

 

[raptorrex]

Info for Saltypig. Filter was delivered yesterday and hasn't come with filter media.

they are sold without media, unless the advert states otherwise. but, reasonable costs (£35, or so) kits are available. they are even cheaper off of Ebay.(usually)

there is cheaper (then eheim) media out there. but, IME for these filters, you are best with the makers product. but its not all bad. if you by the Eheim. you will not need to replace anything, except the white pads, for many many years.

I was informed by the Eheim main import agent that the media is best changed every 12 months. The guy said that the micro pores get clogged up and they end up not being able to house the bacteria. Boiling the media does nothing. How true that is god only knows.. Im not entirely happy at the thought of doing this. I suppose a way around it is to keep a diary of how the levels are and do regular water changes. When the tank water does start to become unstable then change 50% of the media, or change a basket every 6 months. Im a bit lost .

well, nobody from Eheim, is prepared to say that. not in emails, or conversations with me. though both substrate pro and substrate do produce some sintered material when washed (more so substrate). and, over 5 years now, the tubs have needed topped up. I've probably used 1/4 litre to do so. if the stuff only lasts 1 year. the vast majority of Ehiem users, are using, the unusable. and few suggest problems with their tanks of filters.
like you, i am "uncomfortable" with the comment. sounds like sales speak. but i will wait for the reply to my new questions. as for Eheim instructions? they only state the white filter pads need replacing, during any cleaning cycle.

 

[salty pig]

Info for Saltypig. Filter was delivered yesterday and hasn't come with filter media.

they are sold without media, unless the advert states otherwise. but, reasonable costs (£35, or so) kits are available. they are even cheaper off of Ebay.(usually)

there is cheaper (then eheim) media out there. but, IME for these filters, you are best with the makers product. but its not all bad. if you by the Eheim. you will not need to replace anything, except the white pads, for many many years.

I was informed by the Eheim main import agent that the media is best changed every 12 months. The guy said that the micro pores get clogged up and they end up not being able to house the bacteria. Boiling the media does nothing. How true that is god only knows.. Im not entirely happy at the thought of doing this. I suppose a way around it is to keep a diary of how the levels are and do regular water changes. When the tank water does start to become unstable then change 50% of the media, or change a basket every 6 months. Im a bit lost .

well, nobody from Eheim, is prepared to say that. not in emails, or conversations with me. though both substrate pro and substrate do produce some sintered material when washed (more so substrate). and, over 5 years now, the tubs have needed topped up. I've probably used 1/4 litre to do so. if the stuff only lasts 1 year. the vast majority of Ehiem users, are using, the unusable. and few suggest problems with their tanks of filters.
like you, i am "uncomfortable" with the comment. sounds like sales speak. but i will wait for the reply to my new questions. as for Eheim instructions? they only state the white filter pads need replacing, during any cleaning cycle.

mmm, Looks like were in a grey area. Im hoping to pop over to a large chip shop in C------. later on today They have some drop dead gorgeous marine tanks which If the wife likes the cabinet then it's all systems go. Im also asking his opinion on the advantages of having a wier and sump on a tropical tank, as well as Media maintenance . I last spoke to the Eheim guy last week and he is very knowledgeable on all filters. He told me all about the in's and out's of running a 2229 wet n dry filter, an hour later we were still on the subject. I know he isnt into bull poo because when I asked about the price of one of the models he recommended I buy from a dealer who will sell it far cheaper than him because he cannot discount. He also carries all the Eheim parts from the last 10 years, I hope to give him a bell in the week ahead.Meanwhile wot say you ?

 

[raptorrex]

mmm, Looks like were in a grey area. Im hoping to pop over to a large chip shop in Coventry later on today They have some drop dead gorgeous marine tanks which If the wife likes the cabinet then it's all systems go. Im also asking his opinion on the advantages of having a wier and sump on a tropical tank, as well as Media maintenance . I last spoke to the Eheim guy last week and he is very knowledgeable on all filters. He told me all about the in's and out's of running a 2229 wet n dry filter, an hour later we were still on the subject. I know he isnt into bull poo because when I asked about the price of one of the models he recommended I buy from a dealer who will sell it far cheaper than him because he cannot discount. He also carries all the Eheim parts from the last 10 years, I hope to give him a bell in the week ahead.Meanwhile wot say you ?

I would be very interested in his comments. and i will pass on the comments from Eheim themselves, when i receive them. i dont think he is full of "bull poo" lol. I'd just like more information on, something, even Eheim themselves don't mention. (as yet)

 

[salty pig]

mmm, Looks like were in a grey area. Im hoping to pop over to a large chip shop in Coventry later on today They have some drop dead gorgeous marine tanks which If the wife likes the cabinet then it's all systems go. Im also asking his opinion on the advantages of having a wier and sump on a tropical tank, as well as Media maintenance . I last spoke to the Eheim guy last week and he is very knowledgeable on all filters. He told me all about the in's and out's of running a 2229 wet n dry filter, an hour later we were still on the subject. I know he isnt into bull poo because when I asked about the price of one of the models he recommended I buy from a dealer who will sell it far cheaper than him because he cannot discount. He also carries all the Eheim parts from the last 10 years, I hope to give him a bell in the week ahead.Meanwhile wot say you ?

I would be very interested in his comments. and i will pass on the comments from Eheim themselves, when i receive them. i dont think he is full of "bull poo" lol. I'd just like more information on, something, even Eheim themselves don't mention. (as yet)

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