Drive Cloning

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One of my hard drives in the PC is making very nasty sounds and I think it's about to die.

I plan on replacing them both, but I do not want to have to go through all the reactivation of XP etc.

Does anyone know of any decent drive cloning software, preferably that can be run from a live cd to allow it full access to my c:\ drive.

I recall there being a free Linux based one, but I can't remember what it's called.

Any ideas?

Arfie
 
Cant you just use nero to back up the full hard drive?
 
I don't think so as nero requires windows to be running, while it is running certain operating system files etc can't be copied.

I used Norton ghost before and that resulted in a day lost and a reformat to get my computer working again.

It really needs to be a live CD system as far as I'm aware.

Arfie
 
What i did with mine when my hd knackered up was, i backed up hd with nero, thn on the new hd i installed a new copy of xp, then when done, i ran the bk up disc.
 
Norton Ghost would work. Not sure if you'd have to purchase it though...

A good free util is Partition Logic. I haven't personally used it but a colleague pointed me at it recently. It has the live CD function you are after. I believe its a CD image download that you burn to a disc and can then boot off. I haven't used it because we use Norton Ghost where I work (booting from a Bart PE boot CD that we have custom made using PE builder).
 
Cant you just install xp (if thats what u use) o n your new hd, then slave your old hard drive and then when xp loads, copy all the files from old hd to new one, this way they will transfer cos windows aint in use on the slave drive.
 
What i did with mine when my hd knackered up was, i backed up hd with nero, thn on the new hd i installed a new copy of xp, then when done, i ran the bk up disc.
But that means reinstalling XP, which is exactly what I want to avoid ;)

It's a fairly old machine and I've replaced lots of parts and the last time I re-installed XP, it wouldn't activate. I had to call m$ who finally agreed to give me an activation code but said they wouldn't do again and I'd have to buy a new licence.

So as I said, I want to clone my drive as this does a complete bit by bit copy so the software doesn't know it's on a different drive.

Arfie
 
Doing this will mean he then has to re-setup windows how it was before as it is a new install. Generally you can't copy one install over another (especially while you're running one of the installs). Also, this would be quite messy.

Drive cloning does exactly that. It clones the data (and windows install) from one HDD to another. Booting from a "Live CD" means no data is in use, as you're running the operating system off of a CD, not your hard drive :)
 
What i did with mine when my hd knackered up was, i backed up hd with nero, thn on the new hd i installed a new copy of xp, then when done, i ran the bk up disc.
But that means reinstalling XP, which is exactly what I want to avoid ;)

It's a fairly old machine and I've replaced lots of parts and the last time I re-installed XP, it wouldn't activate. I had to call m$ who finally agreed to give me an activation code but said they wouldn't do again and I'd have to buy a new licence.

So as I said, I want to clone my drive as this does a complete bit by bit copy so the software doesn't know it's on a different drive.

Arfie

Just reinstall xp lol, fresh start and clean comp ;) if ya want a liscence key then pm me, its 100% genuine :) and i dont mind giving one to ya for free :)
 
It's a fairly old machine and I've replaced lots of parts and the last time I re-installed XP, it wouldn't activate. I had to call m$ who finally agreed to give me an activation code but said they wouldn't do again and I'd have to buy a new licence.

See, this is what I dissagree with. I'm of the view that its my bloody PC, and I bought the software legitimately, so why should MS be able to tell me I can't upgrade the bloddy thing?

Times like this I'm glad I work where I do. We have massive MS license agreements that cover usage of XP/Vista Business Premium (or whatever)/Office xp/2003/2007 at home, along with some other stuff :)
 
Generous offer, but there are more things than Windows on there, some are genuine, some may not be ;)

DevUK: I think I've got a copy of Ghost somewhere, but I don't trust it, the last time I used it was Ghost 2002 and as I said, it was corrupt and I lost everything. You sure it's OK?

Whatever I use I could also do with it being able to transfer onto a USB HDD if possible :unsure:

I must have more than one system capable of doing it as I have a few Boot disks, but not having done this for years I can't remember what I need :rolleyes:

Arfie

It's a fairly old machine and I've replaced lots of parts and the last time I re-installed XP, it wouldn't activate. I had to call m$ who finally agreed to give me an activation code but said they wouldn't do again and I'd have to buy a new licence.

See, this is what I dissagree with. I'm of the view that its my bloody PC, and I bought the software legitimately, so why should MS be able to tell me I can't upgrade the bloddy thing?
You and me both.

If I was in the mood to reinstall etc then I would argue the toss with them, but I'd rather not.

Arfie
 
Generous offer, but there are more things than Windows on there, some are genuine, some may not be ;)

Belive me m8 its genuine..

More things than wndows? you will be able to transfer everything this way, files, folders, programmes, ... even all the drivers... anything at all

I recently did someones on this forum and they are 100% happy with thiers and it works perfect...

Its the easiest way if you have 2 hd and a copy of windows..
 
You could use 'true acronis'. This is not free however as everybody has said already is to re-install XP. I would do that but I work for a company that has corporate versions of XP and it does not need activating.

'True Acronis' Does a perfect job of creating an image and then restore it to the new drive. This does IDE and Sata both perfectly.
 
hidden none destructive Xp repair option

"It's one of those software design decisions that makes you scratch your head and wonder, "What were they thinking?"

The "it" in this case is XP's most powerful rebuild/repair option, and yet Microsoft chose to hide it behind seeming dead ends, red herrings, and a recycled interface that makes it hard to find and (at first) somewhat confusing to use.

But it's worth exploring because this option lets you completely and nondestructively rebuild, repair, or refresh an existing XP installation while leaving already-installed software alone (no reinstallation needed!). It also leaves user accounts, names, and passwords untouched and takes only a fraction of the time a full, from-scratch reinstall does. And unlike a traditional full reinstall, this option doesn't leave you with two copies of XP on your hard drive. Instead, you end up with just the original installation, but repaired, refreshed, and ready to go.

We've saved this technique for last in our discussion of the various XP repair/rebuild options because the fixes we've previously discussed are like first aid--the things you try first. For instance, see this discussion on removing limitations on XP's Recovery Console, turning it into a more complete repair tool; or this discussion on the Recovery Console's little-known "Rebuild" command that can cure many boot-related problems. (There's also lots more on the Recovery Console here.

But when the Recovery Console techniques don't work, and you're facing the prospects of a total reformat/reinstall, stop! Try the no-reformat reinstall technique we're about to illustrate, and you just may get your XP setup running again in a fraction of the time and with a fraction of the hassle of a grand mal wipe-and-restore.

The no-reformat reinstall operation starts with a normal boot from an XP setup CD

Start your PC with the setup CD in a drive, and hit a key when you see the following screen:
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Boot from your XP setup CD to gain access to the no-reformat reinstall option.

If instead of booting to the CD your PC boots from the hard drive, you may need to modify your PC's "boot order." It's easy and only takes a minute to make the change so that the PC will check for a bootable CD before trying to boot from the hard drive. See this for more information.

Once your PC starts to boot from the CD, you'll see something like what's shown in Screen 2:
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Let the CD boot proceed normally and automatically through "Setup is inspecting your computer's hardware..." to the "Windows Setup" screen.

After a minute or two, you'll see the "Windows Setup/Setup is starting Windows" screen, shown in Screen Three. Don't be alarmed: It's still just the setup process running, and nothing's been changed on your PC yet.

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The "Starting Windows" screen is a bit of an overstatement; it's just the setup process getting going. Windows, as we normally think of it, isn't running yet, and no changes have been made to your PC.

Soon after Screen Three, you'll be presented with the normal "Welcome to Setup" screen, as shown in Screen Four.

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The "Welcome to Setup" screen is poorly worded; the "Repair" option we want isn't the one explicitly offered here. In fact, the repair option we want isn't shown on this screen at all. See the text for full detail.

The poorly worded options in Screen Four lead many users astray. The only mention of "Repair" here is "...repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console..." but that's not the no-reformat repair/reinstall we're seeking. (The Recovery Console Repair option is useful in its own right for fixing relatively minor problems with the operating system, and we fully explore it in the links listed above.)

The repair option we do want--a nondestructive, no-reformat reinstall--is actually hidden beneath the Setup option, "To set up Windows XP now, press ENTER."

So hit Enter, just as if you were setting up Windows afresh and from scratch.

The next screen, about licensing, gives no reassurances that you're on the right path for a nondestructive repair/reinstall--in fact, it's the same screen you see when you're setting XP up on a virgin hard drive. But this is only the first of many screens that the Repair option will borrow from a full-blown setup. Press F8 to accept the licensing terms and to go on.

Next, the XP setup process will show another screen that you may recall from your initial setup of XP. It searches for "a previous version of Microsoft Windows." In our case, we're not replacing a previous version of Windows, but rather repairing the very same version that's on the setup CD--but that's OK; it's just another poorly worded screen.
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Our intent is to repair the same version of Windows as is on the setup CD, but another poorly worded screen makes it seem like you're upgrading a previous version of Windows or installing one anew. But don't let the bad wording alarm you; we're still on track for a nondestructive reinstall.

Screen Seven finally shows verbiage that's not recycled from the generic XP setup, but is specific to our Repair task. Setup should find your damaged copy of XP and present it for repair, as shown:
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At long last, Setup begins to refer to a Repair option. Here, Setup should have found your damaged XP setup, which you can select and then press R to start the nondestructive repair.

If your damaged copy of XP isn't highlighted in the list box, highlight it now. When it's selected, press R to start the repair process.

The Repair process then selectively deletes system files in the \Windows folder and subfolders and copies undamaged replacement files from the setup CD to their proper locations.
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The Repair process then works on the current setup's Registry, leaving much of it intact and rebuilding the rest.

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There's no fanfare, but this is one of the nicer parts of the Repair process: Setup retains what it can in the current Registry so that already-installed hardware and software will remain installed.

With the system files freshly copied and the Registry ready for rebuilding, the system needs to reboot. Remove the CD from the drive so that the PC will boot to the hard drive instead of to the CD.

The first Repair reboot will take longer than normal. Don't be alarmed. Also, don't be alarmed when Setup resumes. Once again, it will appear that you're performing a full, from-scratch setup; there's nothing on-screen to indicate that you're repairing an existing version of XP. But although the setup screens are the same as what you'd see in a full install, it's still a repair process, as will become clearer in a moment.

The first two of the Repair setup screens ask for your language preferences and product key.
Enter these normally.

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When Setup resumes, it will appear that you're performing a full, from-scratch setup. But don't worry--you're still indeed repairing your existing version of XP.

Many of the next few Repair screens will also be familiar. The "installing devices" screen, for example, is identical to the one you normally see during a full, from-scratch setup. But Repair is actually retaining much of the current setup's configuration and so will move through these steps faster than in a full setup.

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The Repair version of the setup process skips or shortens many steps because it already has the information it needs from the existing setup. For example, Repair's "installing devices" and the network setup steps are both much faster and require less user input than a new setup does.

The setup screens don't reflect the fact that a Repair proceeds much faster than a normal, full setup. In fact, the time estimates in the setup progress bar will be way off. You'll be done in far less time than the progress bar predicts.
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Just as with "installing devices," the network setup proceeds rapidly because Setup can reuse many of the configuration details from the current installation. In fact, a Repair setup takes far less time than the installation progress bar indicates.

When this portion of the Repair is done, you'll see a "completing installation" screen:
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The "completing installation" screen means most of the heavy lifting is done, and you're just minutes away from finishing the repair operation.

Setup then reboots your PC again, and this reboot will also take longer than usual. This is normal.

With the bulk of the repair work done, your PC needs to reboot once more and will do so automatically. The reboot will take a bit longer than a standard boot, but this is normal.
After the reboot, you'll be brought to an abbreviated version of the "Welcome To Windows" setup pages.

You'll be asked if you want to register and--depending on how badly hosed the previous installation was--you may or may not be asked to reactivate the copy of Windows. Next, the setup software handles the final networking details and then offers a "thank you" screen.
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In most cases, the system will now reboot for a final time. The Repair is done. It's a normal boot, bringing you to the normal choices for login.

With a final, fully normal reboot, you're done. Your copy of XP should be as good as new, but with all your previously installed hardware, software, and user configuration data undamaged!


If all has gone as planned, you'll find all the user accounts and passwords intact, all the hardware devices set up as before, and all the previously installed software still installed and configured. In fact, if all has gone as planned, the only significant change will be that whatever problem your copy of XP was previously experiencing will now be gone!

You now have a range of repair tools at your disposal, ranging from simple on-the-fly fixes such as Registry cleaning and safe Mode fixes to Recovery Console fixes, and, now, a nondestructive, no-reformat repair/rebuild option.

With this information, you should almost never have to face a dreaded start-over-from-scratch reformat/reinstall of XP!"

sorry guys this is ripped off a site i visit, to which many of you will have no access. so i copied it lock stock and pictures.
this works a treat, and all your installed progs are still there

though the most simple option may be to use a linux boot to copy the files across.
 
:blink: Wow, that is a very full set of instructions Boboboy :good: However unless I've missed something, it is a full set of instructions on how to fix an entirely different problem to the one I have :unsure:

My hard drive is knackered, no amount of reinstalling windows on the same drive will fix that issue. Tops marks for trying though :good: :lol:

I have found Acronis True Image on a boot disk that I had tucked away. I've had one go with it, but managed to mess the settings up, so I am trying again later today.

Fingers crossed it'll work. If not I may well go down the Ghost route.

I just thought that in the past I had seen a simple Linux based boot CD that did straight cloning.

Arfie
 

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