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Donya's 55-Gallon

Only 2 weeks gone by and yet many changes for this tank. Some very depressing, others less so. I also see everybody is way ahead of me on journal updates...I have some reading to do!

My posting dropped to nil because I have been having amazing times with the worst case of norovirus I have ever had and probably flat out the worst contagious illness I have had in at least 10 years. That event also meant tanks had to pretty much just wait. Params held great - but I can't say the same for other aspects.

Rundown of what has changed...

1. No more Dardanus megistos in this tank. I have removed the two that are in and will not be adding more of any large species. The female I have is currently the largest animal I have ever seen of this species, and recently demonstrated that she can SMASH ROCKS. By that, I mean splitting through the middle of a rock with a cross-section ranging from 1-3" across. I don't want 40lbs of nice rock turned into 1" chunks. This also means she probably wouldn't just be able to break a finger, but rather take one clean off. Making that even better, she is not really afraid of my hands, readily threatens me when I walk past, and follows my hands around when in the water. Cool in some ways, but frankly not safe. The sudden increase in strength with her last molt worried me, and my husband echoed those concerns unprompted. The consensus is that this animal is no longer safe to be in this tank and needs to be somewhere that can be maintained without my hands getting wet, much in the way I have kept large true crabs that are equally destructive with finger-breaking potential. If she interacts with me, there always needs to be a pane of glass between claws and me. I simply cannot enforce that with such a deep, large tank. New home:

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It is a 10gal with "wormy" rock from my broken-down tank. She is deworming it. The male is with her but still has his strangely peaceful, loner personality. They have been at peace for some time in the 55gal so my hope is that the habitat shrinkage won't set anything off. It hasn't so far. The tank is 10gal because that is frankly all I had room for. If space ever opens up, I will upgrade them to something with more floorspace.

What I think I have seen with this particular female is a bit of the "super crab" phenomenon I have seen in a few other species. As I think I've already mentioned in other posts, she dwarfs the late Mr. Hairylegs, and most of the other individuals that slowed down and showed old age before they reached anywhere near her size. My experience with some species is that every now and then one will just skyrocket in size beyond the expected maximum - which I can check in some cases by just going and looking at the wild populations. It's also possible that there are odd, rare giants out hiding in deeper water where they are simply harder to find and therefore go undocumented. After all, someone did recently haul up a giant lobster (40something pounds I think? Wasn't the world record, but not too shabby), so it could just be an observational shortcoming for wild populations and their documentation. At any rate, if this female grows larger I will actually start to have a hard time finding shells for her. I used to think that the rare remarks in the hobby of 12" individuals were down to either incorrectly IDed animals (specifically Petrochirus diogenes) or were the result of faulty measurements. I'm less confident of those assumptions at this point.

Did you see that my tank leaked and I had to rescue nps corals from eminent disaster?

Aaaand that was another thing in the back of my mind: "oh dear god, what if that crab ever takes an interest in the tank sealant?" The tank wouldn't stand a chance. I have had inverts in the past that became oddly fascinated with sealant (snails and crabs), they were just never big enough to do anything about it. When I saw that line you posted here (although I still need to get journal reading to see the details), I realized that among other things, 50gal of water on the floor is something I do not want to play with. One more reason to move the crabs out...just under 10gal of water on the floor is something I can more reasonably deal with if my paranoia is ever validated.

More things that have changed...

2. No more Heteractis aurora anemone...not moved, just...no more. I am still very depressed about it. While I was alternating between puking my guts out and being passed out on a bed, something happened in the tank that I still can't fully piece together. All I know is that when I fell ill the anemone looked magnificent, but when I finally dragged myself out of bed and into the tank room a few days later, I found the anemone shriveled and detached. I isolated it and it promptly barfed up an enormous amount of sand, detritus, and very sharp rock fragments, one of which I presume to have been the culprit in a giant hole punched through its side. The rock fragments were from the destroyed rocks thanks to the crab, but I see no evidence that the act of rock smashing itself injured the anemone. I do not believe the outcome was due to either a mixed anemone environment or a deliberate act of predation/aggression on the part of the crab. There are many things in this tank the crab could have obliterated with its strength and it is frankly remarkable how benevolent it has been in that respect. Obviously there is an indirect causal relationship (e.g. maybe it would have been fine if there hadn't been sharp fragments for it to eat thanks to the crab smashing rocks), but, if the crab was going to have a go at the anemone in a predatory way, I would have just found shreds of flesh around the tank. I do not know how or why the anemone ended up fully ingesting so much sharp, dirty junk. It died a few days later from a systemic infection that it couldn't overcome. As far as I could tell, the anemone was thriving and growing right up to this...no warning. Freak event I guess? I am sure getting tired of this kind of thing.

3. Following the loss of the nem, I decided to look at what I have done well and also SAFELY (in terms of capacity for physical damage and toxicity) with my tanks more broadly and try to just do those things again with this tank. I came up with the following: small hermit crab species and medium-large Clibanarius hermit crabs, Gastropods, some soft corals, and some LPS. So...that is where I am headed with this tank. Boring? Maybe. But, as my recent experiences have shown me I do not have the capacity to appropriately look after such a large, potentially volatile system. I need something more predictable at this point.

4. Crab removal posed another problem. One grapefruit-sized crab is probably worth at least 50 (or maybe even a hundred) standard small CUC hermits. Taking out those two hermits removed almost all of my CUC, although it also dropped the bio load substantially. Still, I am trying to ad-hoc stock to fill in the gaps. I need rock and sand cleaners. First round has been 12 Clibanarius virescens, 1 conch, and 1 sea urchin. I tried a CBS too to serve as a worm-thumper, but apparently I apparently bought it too close to molting and the transport stress didn't end well; that is always a risk with shrimp unfortunately. Being honest, it's been so long since I've had that issue with a shrimp it had completely slipped my mind. Most of the time they are able to delay it successfully if it's too close to "the time," but sometimes everything goes south. I will try another in a while, hopefully one where I can find out when it's last molt was and time pickup accordingly now that the issue is back on my radar.

Happier pics...

Elegance - doubled in size and mouth count since I got it. Really needed to be moved to the sand (which I also couldn't do with the big crabs around) since it outgrew the platform it was on much faster than I thought it was going to. In fact, it had pushed against the side and snapped the glue bits...it was just balancing! Yikes. Obviously it's much safer now.

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Nephthea (?) frag from local frag farmer's market. The guy said it was Nephthea and I see live aquaria has an identical-looking thing listed as Nephthea, but I have frustratingly seen identical-looking things listed otherwise in the past. I feel like now that I now have two sources that say the same thing I can probably assume it's Nephthea. But then I have another thing that is also supposedly a Nephthea that is really very different-looking...yarg.

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Stock for the future depending on how the tank responds to decreased nutrient input (still the same amount of filter food, just less everything else):
- Some brittle/serpent stars
- Almost certainly something else to churn sand.
- Maybe some more filter-feeding bivalves or a worm...there is plenty of filter food to go around.
- More peppermint shrimp.
- More corals. Not sure what yet, but now I can acutally put stuff on the rocks. The lack of a skimmer probably means I'm still in LPS/softy territory, although I know Borneman hates generalizations at that level. I should dig out that book again and have a look.
 
Hey Donya, I was about to PM you to see how you were doing as I hadn't heard from you in a good while. My goodness! I'm so sorry that you were so sick. :eek:

I'm glad you are on the mend, though.

The developments with the crabs are interesting. They are just crazy big. Try like 150 of my blue-legged hermits in my biocube. They are super tiny compared to your crab. Yeah, you always wonder about accidents like that in the back of your head. For me, it's a tiger pistol in the 8g. He clicks a lot. Nothing's happened, and I expect nothing ever will, but I'm very fond of the livestock in that 8g tank and if anything happened...

I keep sps and I don't skim, but my tanks are much smaller than yours so I can do the extra water changes that the sps need. I also use a refugium.

So glad you're better. Man, I can't imagine being that sick. Not in the middle of a semester. Yikes!

L
 
Things are less than excellent still. I fed the tank one day, everybody was having a snack, then out of nowhere the Bangai suddenly had a seizure and died on the spot. Examining the corpse, the only thing that looked off was some sort of small, tumor-looking growth under the gill operculum on one side; don't know whether that will be related to the death. Some time later, the clowns decided to destroy the RBTA, not by "loving it to death" as can happen sometimes, but rather by eating it, so they are in the penalty box. I thought maybe they were destroying the nem because it had infected areas, but I can't find anything wrong with the nem; they were just biting chunks out like it was tasty food. The nem is recovering, but has basically no tentacles left (although there is already some regrowth, but just as nubs). Not sure what to do with the psycho clowns now. Can't move the nem or oyster, can't move the clowns, can't have nem-less clowns with the oyster, and now I don't trust letting the clowns back at the nem. This constraint satisfaction problem has no long-term solution at the moment.
 
Holy moly, where did you get these psycho clowns, Donya? Did they get like cyanide or something? I mean, I've heard of nutty fish, but this is beyond nutty.

Ok, so tell me where you got the clowns and I will NEVER go to that store. EVER. They sell the nutty fish there. :S

L
 
Holy moly, where did you get these psycho clowns, Donya? Did they get like cyanide or something? I mean, I've heard of nutty fish, but this is beyond nutty.

Ok, so tell me where you got the clowns and I will NEVER go to that store. EVER. They sell the nutty fish there. :S

L

They are 100% captive-bred & tank-raised from University of Maine's captive breeding facility. And the store took amazing care of them! I would point the finger at them having been captive bred and therefore not having had an opportunity to learn by watching others...but here's the kicker: the female had hosted some other BTAs like a normal clown at the store for several months before I got her. So I don't think I can point the finger of blame at anything except my own tank and my own decisions over time.

It's also worth pointing out that this female ate my Anthelia to death after deciding to hang out in it (although not really properly hosting). If I had to pick a point at which the really strange, fishy-OCD behavior started, it was with her first obsession with a twisted/kinked Anethelia tentacle. She couldn't un-twist it by swatting it (not for lack of trying), so she eventually ripped it off and at it. Not long after, she started eating the new polyps, and then she moved onto eating the big ones. It's not beyond possibility that I have a "killer rat" scenario with this fish, with an abnormal behavior that got started and now has nothing really to stop it.
 
Holy moly, where did you get these psycho clowns, Donya? Did they get like cyanide or something? I mean, I've heard of nutty fish, but this is beyond nutty.

Ok, so tell me where you got the clowns and I will NEVER go to that store. EVER. They sell the nutty fish there. :S

L

They are 100% captive-bred & tank-raised from University of Maine's captive breeding facility. And the store took amazing care of them! I would point the finger at them having been captive bred and therefore not having had an opportunity to learn by watching others...but here's the kicker: the female had hosted some other BTAs like a normal clown at the store for several months before I got her. So I don't think I can point the finger of blame at anything except my own tank and my own decisions over time.

It's also worth pointing out that this female ate my Anthelia to death after deciding to hang out in it (although not really properly hosting). If I had to pick a point at which the really strange, fishy-OCD behavior started, it was with her first obsession with a twisted/kinked Anethelia tentacle. She couldn't un-twist it by swatting it (not for lack of trying), so she eventually ripped it off and at it. Not long after, she started eating the new polyps, and then she moved onto eating the big ones. It's not beyond possibility that I have a "killer rat" scenario with this fish, with an abnormal behavior that got started and now has nothing really to stop it.

She's just nuts. Plain nuts. Wow! I'm still trying to wrap my head around her behavior.
 
super-quick pic update.

BTA recovering...has some tentacles now but good grief they're stubby.

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Elegance - compare to the shot from Mar 12th where the base was still visible. This thing is going to take over my entire sand bed.
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Refugium full of "good" things again, regrown from a ping-pong ball sized bunch
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Tank-raised urchin (one of two)
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Duncans
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Candycane frag
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Very pretty corals. Me likey. He is stumpy.

And Mr. & Mrs. Nutcase??
 
The monsters are still in the penalty box. I haven't figured out what to do with them and they seem strangely ok in a box, so I'm procrastinating while I look for a solution that probably isn't there.
 
The monsters are still in the penalty box. I haven't figured out what to do with them and they seem strangely ok in a box, so I'm procrastinating while I look for a solution that probably isn't there.

Then it's perhaps time to consider rehoming the clownfish and get a pair that'll be more compatible with the anemones and the rest of the tank inhabitants. Right now, keeping them in the penalty box probably isn't the best thing for them long term, Donya.

L
 
I am ahead of you - actually found a solution just after my last post. I am soaking wet thanks to trying to implement it this morning though so further text must wait.
 
Before:
- 55gal: clown pair
- 20gal: damsel pair (Amblyglyphidodon aureus...whoever came up with that genus name needs a smack)

After:
- 55gal: damsel pair
- 20gal: clown pair

A whole tank of mostly open space with no other open-water fish and the clowns are trying to stuff themselves into a space that is about 0.5" x 1" x 3" - and that 3" is vertically, not horizontally. This is substantially smaller than the penalty box and the boundaries are not just invisible but also fully non-existent. Truly these fish did not seem to care about being in a small space; they have never utilized more than a small bubble around their territory and didn't leave the box when the nem was in there with them, but feeding and whatnot is at least easier now.

Now I can...
- grow out the BTA and/or look for a larger one that might be safer.
- reconstruct things to sufficiently obscure the clowns' old territory (I think I will plop that great big Elegance there).
- move the oyster to the opposite end of the tank.
- deal with a swap back after the term ends when it will be easier to manage.

I never like explanations that just end with animals being utterly bonkers, because usually they're not and it's something off in the environment. I have two hypotheses at this point: (1) the anemone was not relatively big enough and the clowns were stressed by that and/or (2) the anemone was too close to their old territory and they were trying to move it, which is something I have read about a couple of times now. This may be why life was good with the anemone in the box (too far away to cause problems) but not with the anemone moved next to their old territory - which they did spend on time swimming between leading up to the badness.
 
They're just bonkers, Donya. You didn't get a good pair.

You got a lot of patience, I would've cooked me some clownfish stew by now. I never liked clownfish. Meh! They bite too. My lfs has a tomato clown that bites through the owners thick rubber gloves. He bit the helfrich firefish that I had on hold and now I can't get it. He's killed several other fish. She swears she'll never sell tomato clowns again. :lol: Bonkers, all clown fish are!

Elegance are pretty, show him off good and proper. :D
 

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