Do You Use Carbon in Your Filter?

I don't use carbon in any of my filters.

In my Aquaclear 200, where the carbon usually is, I put the foam insert for my Aquaclear mini that I use on my hospital tank. That way, when I use my hospital tank, the media is fully cycled.
 
I have read that the activated carbon used for aquarium filters will not remove the chemicals that a fishkeeper expects the carbon to remove. This person said that activated carbon could remove harmful chemicals well, however this activated carbon goes through an extensive refining process which therefore raises its price. This carbon is supposedly only readily available to chemical labs, whether industrial or academic. They said that the carbon sold at an LFS or by the filter company would be no where near as refined.

I was wondering if anyone out there new whether this was true. I know that activated carbon partially acts as a result of its surface area and therefore it would seem the finer the carbon particles the better job it will do. Can anyone confirm or deny either of these things about the carbon that we use?
 
FoundMoney said:
My filter originally came with carbon but I only used it during my cycle period. Once it was exhausted I never replaced it, but added an additional sponge (I'm using an AquaClear 70).
That is part of your problem. A large portion of your bacteria colony is on your filter media. When you threw the carbon away from you filter after cycling, you killed probably half or more of your bacteria colony creating at least a mini cycle. I think the carbon pretty much uses it's usefulness as far as far as removing impurities after a couple weeks but it serves a more important function in housing the bacteria colony. That is the main reason people rarely change their filter, only rinsing in dechlorinated water and putting them back.
 
ccg said:
FoundMoney.

I have been using carbon in all my filters for about 6 years and have always had good luck keeping my fish. However I have never not used it, so i can't raelly give you anymore information then that.

Please keep my updated on how you make out with your dwarf cichlids as I plan to get some very soon.
Do you have plants in your tank?
 
rdd1952 said:
FoundMoney said:
My filter originally came with carbon but I only used it during my cycle period. Once it was exhausted I never replaced it, but added an additional sponge (I'm using an AquaClear 70).
That is part of your problem. A large portion of your bacteria colony is on your filter media. When you threw the carbon away from you filter after cycling, you killed probably half or more of your bacteria colony creating at least a mini cycle. I think the carbon pretty much uses it's usefulness as far as far as removing impurities after a couple weeks but it serves a more important function in housing the bacteria colony. That is the main reason people rarely change their filter, only rinsing in dechlorinated water and putting them back.
Thanks for the advice but I don't think this was ever a problem. I always monitor my water quality and since the tank cycled I've never had an ammonia or nitrite spike. I was especially dilligent testing the water in the early days when I would monitor it on a daily basis.

I removed the carbon the first time in January. I always had the sponge and the biomax in the filter so I doubt I lost enough bacteria from getting rid of the carbon to make a difference. When I first added fish I had 8 von rio tetras in a 30 gallon for about a week before adding another fish. Ammonia always stayed at 0.
 
i only use carbon in emrgencys, or after meds, and throw it after 1 use.

carbon is thought to contribute to latral line arosion in discus.

i also use to breed triple red apisto's without carbon, never had a problem.
 
i was told that adding more carbon would help get rid of my blue green slime algea problem with water changes so i added a ton off carbon to my filtre along with water changes and the slime algea disappeared. i've never not had carbon in my filtre. carbon is the base compound to forming life. you'll need carbon to start your bacteria colony.

as for the plants i dont know. the main reason for a carbon filtre is to take impurities out of the water, i'd be interested to know what impurities are taken out that are useful to plants. and if they are useful to plants why would they not be usefeul to fish? seems to me that the plants get the majority of their food from the substrate. i dont know more imformation on this would be useful.
 
I've read that carbon can bond with chilated iron. If you strip iron out of your water your plants might suffer. I've also read that somehow carbon can increase phosphates, which sometimes contribute to additional algae growth. As far as I'm concerned this is "heresay" or should I say "readsay" as I've only read this on the internet.
 
Hi...I don't use it anymore. Discontinued it after doing a poll here. All my fish are doing fine and the water is clear. I have an AquaClear70 (300) and I don't change the BioMax either. I added filter floss to add more surface area for biologic filtration. One of the mods here uses two sponges and rotates them. I think activated carbon in a FW tank is going to become one of those old dinosauric things like the undergravel filter. It DOES have it's place when removing meds from a tank, so, I keep a bag available if needed. Save your money. SH
 
dartos, RE:
This carbon is supposedly only readily available to chemical labs, whether industrial or academic. They said that the carbon sold at an LFS or by the filter company would be no where near as refined.

There is an incredible number of variables that go into how well certain activated carbon will perform. Not just how it was processed, but its source turns out to be a huge factor. That is, the carbon made from Chinese coal is different from the carbon made from American coal is different made from tree bark is different from that made from coconut shells. As far as I know, there has been no real successful prediction as to excatly why these carbons act so differently. Yes, there are different trace materials, but the overwhelming majority is carbon. In short, the story about how effective carbon is is very long, and like many things in life, price does not really always indicate quality. Often the 'research' or 'scientific' carbon has been validated for a specific process or is bought because it has one specific property. The carbon in the LFSs, however, are from all different sources, and consequently have all different properties.

utahfish, RE:
you'll need carbon to start your bacteria colony
well, yes, but this does not come from activated carbon. I have fishless cycled tanks without carbon filtration. My guess is that CO2 provides most of the carbon at first, then dissolved organic carbons in the water are more than sufficient to provide the rest.

My first point about carbon is that unless you constantly change it out, it will rather quickly reach equilibrium saturation, and really be doing nothing at all. Even medium quality carbon will become saturated pretty quickly (the equilibrium is stongly in favor of carbon uptake). Even though the equilibrium is strongly favored to uptake, you have to throw it away after taking medications out of the water, because small (normally very very small) concentrations of the medications will come back out into your water. All this worrying about the carbon and if it is saturated and all that; especially since the benefits of carbon are few and debatable (20 something posts already!).

But, the most disturbing thing is that carbon will uptake dissolved organic compounds (DOCs) in the water. And those DOCs are performing a very valuable function! They are helping confer protection from metal toxicity. Metals readily bind to DOCs, and when the metals are bound to the organic molecule, they are not nearly as readily taken up by the fish. So, the DOCs from plants and fish that are being excreted are helping to pretoect them -- if you are using carbon you are taking away some of this protection!

Metal toxicity is often overlooked in water quality issues. For example, the toxic levels of copper and zinc in the water to be safe for fish are 0.02 ppm (Cu) and 0.1 ppm (Zn). By comparison, copper and zinc are not toxic to humans until in very high levels, and the regulations of the water companies are really based on taste. Normally, the water companies aim to be around 1.3 ppm Copper and 5.0 ppm Zinc. (All these numbers from Diana Walstad's Ecology of the Planted Aquarium.) But, if you have these DOCs in the water, they can help neutralize heavy metals by binding with the metals.

Yes, your favorite water conditions probably helps detoxify heavy metals, but the DOCs in your tank are at the very least extra insurance. I wouldn't take away that insurance policy with activated carbons, again, especially since most of the benefits or carbon are minor or debatable.
 
If you have carbon in your tank and you take the old one out and put a new one in, will a lot of the beneficial bacteria go out with the old one?
 
rayjay999 said:
If you have carbon in your tank and you take the old one out and put a new one in, will a lot of the beneficial bacteria go out with the old one?
yes. when you remove the carbon filtre and replace it your getting rid of the majority of your bacteria colony as it resided in your filtre. i take mine out and rinse it off. the chlorinated water will aslo kill it so dechlorinated water works better.
 
rayjay999 said:
If you have carbon in your tank and you take the old one out and put a new one in, will a lot of the beneficial bacteria go out with the old one?
Yes, but if you have other media in your tank colonizing bacteria then it will not be a problem. I have a sponge, carbon and biomax. If I change the carbon I still have two other sources of bacteria, plus what's in the gravel. I would never vacuum the gravel at the same time as changing the carbon.
 
I have three tanks running. I have found carbon is not needed in my planted aquarium. The plants seem to be quite effective in helping filtration .

I have found that carbon does help keep my non planted tanks clearer and odor free. I too tried to stop using carbon in all my tanks based on things read in this forum and another. When I refrained from using carb the non planted tanks were not as clear, and a little more fish smell was present. These tanks do contain big south american fish though? Maybe it would not matter as much say on a live bearer tank or small tetra's?

My personal experience is plants-no carbon and no plants-yes carbon.
 

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