do you REALLY NO wots in water conditioner?

[fish&chips]

hmm now im really getting into this forum stuff and man i havent learnt so much in so few days IN ALL MY LIFE

i now no wots in my drinking water (AND WELL ILL NEVER DRINK IT AGAINLOL)

BUT GETITNG TO MY POINT people are saying to leave water it will make it ok for you tank wrong and why because they claim this wil get out chlorine well
WOT IF I TOLD YOU THERE NUN THERE and if there is its a tiny amount
and yes leaving it 24 hours will desipitate it (sorry for spelling)in other words it will disaper ..but wot about chloramine doesnt get rid of that now does it

and well its like a TANK CYCLE YOU HAVE AMONIA NITRITE NITRATE co1 co2 i may be wrong but this is a damn lot for sum 1 owning fish only 4 days

wot i mean with that is amonia taken by nitrite which isnt as bad but still bad so we need the nitrate which is even less then nitrite so its like that ..you clear the chlorine but what about the chloramine that doesnt go unless
you leave in drect sunlight in a bucket for 7 days YES 7 DAYS
this will then clear it but then wot looks afterr the water from germs NOTHING
meaning germs and fungus type bacteria enters your nice clean water letf for 1 week

so fair nuff you condition it BUT DOES IT take out chloramine MINE DOES (NOT)
chloramine is a toxic poisen much worse then chlorine so wot do i do

I KNOW I BUY ANOTHER CONDITIONER THAT DOES TAKE OUT CHLORAMINE
but wots in the conditoner WELL THATS WOT GOT ME THINKING AGAIIIIIIIN
and well i come up with this

API Stress Coat Y/(Y)* Y Aloe Vera Sodium thiosulfate, Aloe Vera

aloe vera wot the why that there (girlfriend works health bueaty she uses this on her face and hands)

so thenwots in the aloe vera well that you can find out yaself cus its 5.46 am and my brain hurts

Kent Ammonia Detox Contains Hydrosulfites (can you tell me wot this is why is it there should it be is this good for fish

Kent Chlorinex Deionized water, sodium thiosulfate, stabilizers


taken from Sodium thiosulfate; Exemption from the Requirement of a Tolerance
is this bad ? im getting lil confused all these chemicals words lol
(((((SUMMARY: This regulation establishes an exemption from the requirement
of a tolerance for residues of sodium thiosulfate )))))))))

is this chloramin e ?sodium thiosulfate or part of it as this is from water?

 

[fish&chips]

i think i should shut up and let the places i find speak out for me

http/www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/rev-cond.htm

everythign you need to know well kinda theres allways another problem

 

[fish&chips]

heh 1 more thing just to back up wot im saying as many of you know wots ok for us IS NOT ok for our fish

we can drink water straight from tap give it to fish will kill them

so we can use aloe vera who said fish can i no for fact using aloe vera will make the water WORSE as it has chemicals that will brake down needed bacteria in the water =the water is bad but noooooo

WHYYYY IM USING ALL THIS STUFF IM PAYING ALL MY MONEY
exactly your paying for it
im starting to think there some big conspricy on fish and there products
i mean why not we by fish they sell us rubbish we go home kill our fish
think why go back by more medicines MORE MONEY ARGHHH
then go back treat them kill more go away buy more fish
hmmmm

and for interpet hahaha wot the hell i cheeked sum there stuff
and well interpet 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 how many do i need damn lol

 

[Zak Ursulo]

Ill tell ya what I think... I think that its entirely to easy to get caught up in the whole chemical thing. Fish keeping should be fun, not a chore. If your fish look happy and healthy and are always eager for food. I dont think you have a chloromine problem. Sometimes i think that all of the super sensitve tests are a bit panic inducing, they make you think you have a super big problem when really its only a minor little thing. Take Ph for instance.. the difference from a Ph of 7 and 7.1 is a trivial amount but the chemical companys sell you the "Ph nutralizer" *spoken in a large reverberating voice* for gettin your ph right to 7 (cuz them fishys cant survive at 7.1 you know)

 

[fish&chips]

lol thaks m8 for reply guess wot

mine tells me 7,5 is perfect see why is it they seem diffrent fair nuff its diffrent product but its not about that really atall beacuse whatever is in them SHOULD
do the same and equaley every person should have the same ish ph

when it says your fish need blah blah ph but this product says diffrent

pls keep replying this is very important to me

 

[Zak Ursulo]

I read your link on another post about Cloromine and there was a real Vital part that should answer all of your questions about if you have Cloromine in the water with yer fishys..

Chloramine acts differently to chlorine in that it causes little damage to the gills but passes through the membrane and into the bloodstream. Here it binds to the iron in the haemoglobin in the red blood cells. This prevents the blood from carrying oxygen and this leads to a disease known as methemoglobinemia, similar to nitrite toxicity. This causes the fish to become very lethargic and eventually they die.

If your fish are not acting like the last highlighted line in that quote then i wouldnt worry about it.

 

[fish&chips]

i have nothing wrong with my fwishys or water there fine

i posted it for others to learn about chlorine chloramine

and you state in the highlighted bit unless the become lethargic and eventually they die.

If your fish are not acting like the last highlighted line in that quote then i wouldnt worry about it.

but how you gonna know they have methemoglobinemia if you dont know wots in your water

also i would worry as it affects them very slowly they dont get this ilnes and in 10 mins die lol

you cant really wait for it THEN WORRY cus its to late as you say in the quote highlighted bit they dieded thats bit to late to worry dont ya think ?

and well if there getting methemoglobinemia your not gonna know becus it takes time to affect them and there may only be a very small amount of chloramine

thanks and keep the posts coming

 

[fish&chips]

could this be another reason FOR NEW TANK SYNDROME

the ilneses ppl can never work out
why did my fish die the rest are fine this died tho
why it die every thing is jsut right
why why WHY

has your fish died and you just dont know why no explanation why (maybe cus you dont really know wots in wot your using

 

[Zak Ursulo]

Im no expert on this topic (thats for sure) but Chloromine while toxic to fish, is not Instantly fatal. Just from doing some skiming of the hundreds of papers on Chloromine out there on the web it seems that fish can tolerate 2ppm with out much difficulty for awhile (long enough for the Chloromine to disapate). The relation to "new tank syndrome" and Chloromine I think is a stretch. Alien Anna has done a good article on new tank syndrome which is almost entirely a Nitrite/ammonia problem. Unless you count the chloromine slaughtering the helpless bacteria as part of the problem. Seriously tho.. i think that unless your loseing fish right or left i dont think there is much to worry about.

I suppose if you were really concerned about Chloromine in your water you could bake the water under a UV light for a day or so.. that should break down the nasty chemical..

 

[fish&chips]

hmm i dont know but its all getting confusign lol

 

[fish&chips]

to the new tank syndrome i ment (sum ppl said somthing about using amonia to cycle a tank ??i have no clue about this

so using amonia ,,,if you got lil chlorine in water and it mixes could this create chloramine ?

 

[fish&chips]

cheek out this i found some 1 said was i sure THAT THE UK USES CHLORAMINE WELL I AM NOW

Sodium Hypochlorite
... Most of the UK Water Utilities use Sodium hypochlorite as an ... where itprovides
disinfection of the water supply right up to the customers tap