Distressed Angel *updated With Results*

[2excitedkids]

Hello,we used sera nematol (wilders suggestion) and it worked well,2 doses 3 weeks apart with 80 % water change after 48 hours. No probs since. Not safe for inverts though. We used on the whole tank including catfish with no problems.

 

[loubega]

Hello,we used sera nematol (wilders suggestion) and it worked well,2 doses 3 weeks apart with 80 % water change after 48 hours. No probs since. Not safe for inverts though. We used on the whole tank including catfish with no problems.

cheers for that,

unforutantely wilder was bit late and i bought wormer plus, but wil;l try that, if that doesnt work i will go woth wilder's suggestion

thanks

 

[Tolak]

Get some levamisole from a livestock shop, it's actually for worming pigs. Here's a link on how to dose; http/www.loaches.com/disease-treatment/l...hydrochloride-1

 

[loubega]

Can't find the thread typical on this site.
What does it say in the med instructions about camallanous worms.
Usually you have to treat again to kill the young.

hi Wilder

this is what it says on the website

"A sure sign of a worm problem is when a discus still eats, yet is wafer thin with the famous pinched in look above the eyes. New wormer plus will rid discus of tapeworms, leeches, gill flukes, body flukes, and internal helminths such as round worms, pin worms, nematodes, hydra, ick, velvet and protozoa plus a host of other pest. This product can be mixed with other aquarium products and medications. Even snails will never again be a pest when using this product just once a month. Although a second dose after seven days may be needed in heavy infestations of flukes, or if treating for Hexamita. So when your discus looks emaciated or just worn out use new wormer plus on a regular basis and do them a favour. Using new wormer plus once a month will help to keep your valued discus and tropical fish in tip top health. It is not necessary to turn off U/V sterilisation during its application, but it is advisable to remove carbon etc whilst using this medication for full effect. This product can be used with rays and is safe to use in aquariums with plants, and it will not harm the biological filtration in your filters. "

this is what it says on how to use

Add one level scoop-full of powder per 30 gallons of aquarium water.

Add to a food grade container, an old drinking cup is fine as long as it is not used for human use after.

Add just off the boil water to the powder, mix well and allow to cool

Mix again and add the mixture to aquarium slowly over a one-hour period.

A few FAQ's

Q Can new.......wormer plus be used with plants?
A Yes it is 100% safe to use with plants
QWill this product harm my filteration?
ANo, it will not harm any filter systems as long as you follow the instructions on the back of the packs.
QHow long do I leave the wormer in the water before I can do a water change?
AIt is best to do a good water change before treating with this product, and leave any water changes four days before doing any more.
QDo I need to treat a second dose?
AOnly in cases of heavy infestations will a second dose be needed
QWill the "off from boil" water distroy the medication?
ANot at all. This medication can with stand high temperatures, which makes dissolving this product better. With this wormer you will not see as much chalky white deposits settling in your tank or foaming on top of the water.

lets hope it works!!! will keep you updated on results....i just pray it hasnt infected my curvicep cichlids and shoal of harelquins

 

[WILDER]

Keep going with the med then.
Heard some members say wormer plus wasn't that good on camallanous worms.
Just hope it does works.
Good Luck.

 

[loubega]

Keep going with the med then.
Heard some members say wormer plus wasn't that good on camallanous worms.
Just hope it does works.
Good Luck.

very quick delivery, order yesterday at 2pm and its here now, so will dose as soon as im back from work! just hope my curvicep cichlids and BN dont get it.....

will dose for a week, however if my angel dies, (he is the only one with signs of the worms) should i still carry on with the treatment?

and even do a second treatment even if there are no signs in any other fish? as heard they have a long life cycle and can remain undetected for a while?

 

[WILDER]

Yes even if the fish dies do the second round of treatment.
Best to worm all fish anyway as they do alot of damage to the internal organs.
Good Luck.

 

[loubega]

Yes even if the fish dies do the second round of treatment.
Best to worm all fish anyway as they do alot of damage to the internal organs.
Good Luck.

ok de-worming as we speak!

fingers crossed, also realised he may have a little bit of white cotton wool on him around the worms? could this be cotton wool fungus? if so can i treat with Interpet no 8 at same time? or is it best to put de-worm med in (its a single dose) then wait for a few days, 30% WC then fungus treatment?, then de-worm again after a week?

also bought no9 as well for future as its a generic anti-bac med.

 

[WILDER]

You can use other meds with wormer plus.
Is the cotton wool on him or the worms, if on the worms leave it.
Fungus grows on dead tissue.

 

[loubega]

You can use other meds with wormer plus.
Is the cotton wool on him or the worms, if on the worms leave it.
Fungus grows on dead tissue.

unsure,

could be on skin surrounding the worms, have de-wormer now, takes about an hour to do it, as have to slowly add it to the tank...was v.eay to do, just waiting now...

should i add no9 (anti-bac) as a precaution?

 

[WILDER]

Yes.
it says to back up with a bacterial med.

Camallanus



Symptoms:

When the fish is stationary, deep red worms can be seen protruding from the anal pore. They are only visible when the fish is still because the worms retreat into the intestine at the fish’s slightest movement. Other signs may include an inflamed and enlarged anus. In severe infestations, the fish may become emaciated and spinal curvature may also occur.



Cause:

The parasitic worms Camallanus Cotti and Camallanus lacustris. These small, livebearing parasitic worms attach to the intestinal walls and rectum with pinchers. The worm’s grip is so tight that any attempts to remove it forcibly will rip away tissue from the intestinal wall. The worm’s pinching causes ischemia (reduced blood flow) to that part of the intestine. In time, the tissue to that part of the intestine will die, at which time the worm will migrate to another part of the intestine. This causes perforations throughout the intestine, which allows other pathogens to gain entry. If the fish is not treated, either the parasite or bacterial will kill the fish. Camallanus infestations occur most often in livebearing fish such as Guppies and Mollies, though infection is possible in all fish. Camallanus infestations are contagious. All fish, including those not yet showing visible symptoms, as well as the aquarium, should be treated.



Treatment:

Treat with Internal Parasite Guard, Pipzine, Disco-Worm, Trichlorfon or Fluke-Tabs as well as a medicated food to prevent a bacterial infection.

 

[loubega]

Yes.
it says to back up with a bacterial med.

Camallanus



Symptoms:

When the fish is stationary, deep red worms can be seen protruding from the anal pore. They are only visible when the fish is still because the worms retreat into the intestine at the fish’s slightest movement. Other signs may include an inflamed and enlarged anus. In severe infestations, the fish may become emaciated and spinal curvature may also occur.



Cause:

The parasitic worms Camallanus Cotti and Camallanus lacustris. These small, livebearing parasitic worms attach to the intestinal walls and rectum with pinchers. The worm’s grip is so tight that any attempts to remove it forcibly will rip away tissue from the intestinal wall. The worm’s pinching causes ischemia (reduced blood flow) to that part of the intestine. In time, the tissue to that part of the intestine will die, at which time the worm will migrate to another part of the intestine. This causes perforations throughout the intestine, which allows other pathogens to gain entry. If the fish is not treated, either the parasite or bacterial will kill the fish. Camallanus infestations occur most often in livebearing fish such as Guppies and Mollies, though infection is possible in all fish. Camallanus infestations are contagious. All fish, including those not yet showing visible symptoms, as well as the aquarium, should be treated.



Treatment:

Treat with Internal Parasite Guard, Pipzine, Disco-Worm, Trichlorfon or Fluke-Tabs as well as a medicated food to prevent a bacterial infection.

ok, update,

de-wormer has been in for 4 hours now, so far not much sign of any worms on floor, although i think there may be a few suspect items that i have fished out. Angel fish is looking bit perky, wil try to feed later on.

will dose again i think in 4-5 days, although it says a week

also dosed no9 anti bac for good measure

cheers

 

[loubega]

Yes.
it says to back up with a bacterial med.

Camallanus



Symptoms:

When the fish is stationary, deep red worms can be seen protruding from the anal pore. They are only visible when the fish is still because the worms retreat into the intestine at the fish’s slightest movement. Other signs may include an inflamed and enlarged anus. In severe infestations, the fish may become emaciated and spinal curvature may also occur.



Cause:

The parasitic worms Camallanus Cotti and Camallanus lacustris. These small, livebearing parasitic worms attach to the intestinal walls and rectum with pinchers. The worm’s grip is so tight that any attempts to remove it forcibly will rip away tissue from the intestinal wall. The worm’s pinching causes ischemia (reduced blood flow) to that part of the intestine. In time, the tissue to that part of the intestine will die, at which time the worm will migrate to another part of the intestine. This causes perforations throughout the intestine, which allows other pathogens to gain entry. If the fish is not treated, either the parasite or bacterial will kill the fish. Camallanus infestations occur most often in livebearing fish such as Guppies and Mollies, though infection is possible in all fish. Camallanus infestations are contagious. All fish, including those not yet showing visible symptoms, as well as the aquarium, should be treated.



Treatment:

Treat with Internal Parasite Guard, Pipzine, Disco-Worm, Trichlorfon or Fluke-Tabs as well as a medicated food to prevent a bacterial infection.

ok, update,

de-wormer has been in for 4 hours now, so far not much sign of any worms on floor, although i think there may be a few suspect items that i have fished out. Angel fish is looking bit perky, wil try to feed later on.

will dose again i think in 4-5 days, although it says a week

also dosed no9 anti bac for good measure

cheers

ok, further update....

my angel must have died over night, found in motionless nestled between the amazon sword this morning, little sign of the worms however.

All over fish look lively and no sign of any worms.....but will dose wormer plus every week now just to be sure....dont know if it actually did anything however.

will add no9 anti back in 3 days times just to be sure....

how long should i wait before adding more fish?

really want some more angels as i have had great results with them.....was thinking of adding 4 small angels in a bout a months time...is this long enough? or should i wait longer for signs of the worms?

cheers

 

[Tolak]

Sorry to hear, wish you could have posted a pic, at times a prolapse will look like camallanus.

I wouldn't dose with anything until you are reasonably certain as to what the ailment was. I've dealt with both situations with angels, both are treated differently. A prolapse calls for fasting & antibiotics, camallanus calls for levamisole.

 

[loubega]

Sorry to hear, wish you could have posted a pic, at times a prolapse will look like camallanus.

I wouldn't dose with anything until you are reasonably certain as to what the ailment was. I've dealt with both situations with angels, both are treated differently. A prolapse calls for fasting & antibiotics, camallanus calls for levamisole.

im 99% sure it was camallanus worms, from looking at pictures and also there is a video on youtube of an angel with camallanus worms and it looked almost identical to my situation.

futhermore the fact that both angels died with 3 days of each other makes it more suspecious as they were 100% healthy up to this point....

im dosing with wormer plus which contains flubendazole, it is a discus treatment but after some research i found it can be used on nematode suchs as camallanus worms...

so far there is no more sign of them in my other fish

15 harlequins
6 Pristella tetra
1 BN
1 SAE
2 curvicep cichlids

so fingers crossed it will not reappear, but am going to dose with wormer plus on tuesday to be sure