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ok would this be a good set up with a few live plants and drift wood?no gravel
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Just so you know, domestics really don't need a lower pH, they won't benefit from fiddling around with the pH. Asian hatcheries will grow their fish out in hard water, not soft. This is because the added minerals are great for the growing discus. Wild stock will need soft, acidic water though, so an R/O unit would probably be a good investment if you choose this route. Keep in mind you only have a 27g tank, 4 Discus would be okay for a small time for grow out (bare-bottom, daily water changes lots of feedings) but you would have to get a bigger tank (minimum 50-55g.) Once they reached 3.5" they would need to be moved or you risk stunting them. Wilds will have to undergo a major quarantine period, worm and fluke. After a few weeks you can stick a Discus in from your main tank into the quarantine tank with your wild. If he is fine after a few weeks you know he is safe to go into your main tank. You are looking at 4-6 weeks of quarantine for wilds (but it is better then killing off your whole tank.)
rabbut
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Most commonly imported wild Discus are Browns or Heckels. They have really bad attitudes and a habit of killing our less aggressive and weaker domesticated Disucs. I'd strongly advise against mixing them, and if you do, the Domestic discus need to out-number the wilds by at least 2:1, and even then the wilds can absolutely hammer the domestics still... 
Domestically bred Discus aren't fussy about water conditions, just so long as the pH is ABOVE 7.0 with imported Discus IME. Wilds will need a really low pH, below 6 ideally. The only way you can mix TB's and Wilds, is to get the TB's from a local breeder than raises his/her fry in really soft water with a low pH. Imported Discus will melt in the low pH water...
a 27g tank is far too small for anything other than a proven breeding pair. Put in two fish that are not a proven pair, and they will kill each-other. No if's, not buts, there isn't space for them to get away from each-other, and pairing does not happen until a heiachy is established and teritories set-up. Until this time, the dominant fish will bully the other into hiding and refuse to let them feed. In a larger tank, where there is more space, the subordinate fish will still be able to feed and keep away from trouble. This isn't possible in such a small tank.
Basically, you will kill some expencive Discus fish unless you buy a proven pair here. Sorry if this is blunt, but I feel the others that have been advising you may not have been giving you a fair over-view of your chances of putting a non-proven pair into your tank, so your information & opinions need balancing up a bit IMO
Domestically bred Discus aren't fussy about water conditions, just so long as the pH is ABOVE 7.0 with imported Discus IME. Wilds will need a really low pH, below 6 ideally. The only way you can mix TB's and Wilds, is to get the TB's from a local breeder than raises his/her fry in really soft water with a low pH. Imported Discus will melt in the low pH water...
a 27g tank is far too small for anything other than a proven breeding pair. Put in two fish that are not a proven pair, and they will kill each-other. No if's, not buts, there isn't space for them to get away from each-other, and pairing does not happen until a heiachy is established and teritories set-up. Until this time, the dominant fish will bully the other into hiding and refuse to let them feed. In a larger tank, where there is more space, the subordinate fish will still be able to feed and keep away from trouble. This isn't possible in such a small tank.
Basically, you will kill some expencive Discus fish unless you buy a proven pair here. Sorry if this is blunt, but I feel the others that have been advising you may not have been giving you a fair over-view of your chances of putting a non-proven pair into your tank, so your information & opinions need balancing up a bit IMO
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Balloons&killies
Fishaholic
ok thanks...
But like they might just pair up in the LFS. because not very many people buy them and they just end up sitting there...
I know for a fact that some are very young in that tank. and the dont sepparate the wild from domestics.
There are some big ones in the tank and they might pair up eventually...
Would a 35g be good for 3 or still just 2?
But like they might just pair up in the LFS. because not very many people buy them and they just end up sitting there...
I know for a fact that some are very young in that tank. and the dont sepparate the wild from domestics.
There are some big ones in the tank and they might pair up eventually...
Would a 35g be good for 3 or still just 2?
rabbut
I don't bite, all that often...
For a group (more than 2), you need at least a 55g tall tank. If the tank is smaller, it's a proven breeding pair only. The lowest cut-off point for a pair would be a 20g tall IMO Also, if you are going for a group you need at least 4 or you'll go down to 0 after a while unless its a really big (100g+) tank, as a dominant fish will come out and give the others hassle... I'd suggest that the "wild" fish in there, are wild colour forms if they are mixing fine with Domestic fish, but actually Domestically bred. Wild brown and green colour-form Discus are readily available as domestic Discus stock.
Also, if you are going for a group you need at least 4 or you'll go down to 0 after a while unless its a really big (100g+) tank, as a dominant fish will come out and give the others hassle... I'd suggest that the "wild" fish in there, are wild colour forms if they are mixing fine with Domestic fish, but actually Domestically bred. Wild brown and green colour-form Discus are readily available as domestic Discus stock.
Sorry to say this but I think it is highly unlikely. If they are small they have many months before they mature and pair up. I know you say they sit there for a while, but I am doubting it's long enough for the fish to grow up and pair off. Better to get in contact with a breeder and buy a breeding pair if your serious about it.
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Balloons&killies
Fishaholic
ok thanks again!!
Ill check aquabid every so often...but its hard to get a breeder with a pair to ship to canada...
Ill check aquabid every so often...but its hard to get a breeder with a pair to ship to canada...
...like I said before, April in Vancouver or Pisces will order pairs in. I doubled checked today and they are around $280-300 from Pisces.
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