Cyling - Add Ammonia Source?

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I've got my 38gal set up with filteration and airation, keeping the water at the right salinity and at 84 F whilst cycling.

With LS, is it safe to "feed" the tank fish food to boost ammonia lvls to kick start the cycle? I've also read that you can use fresh shrimp from the grocery store (dead) to get ammonia up as well, or to add a few drops of pure ammonia into the water at a certain PPM.

so which way would be best? i'm looking to not travel down the road of using LR at this time. Also, I want to confirm if my LS bed will be enough of a biofilter and don't have to invest in a biowheel or something that attaches to the back of the tank.
 
Well, I've never once seen a tank that was kept clean successfully with only Live Sand for filtration. And for that matter, I cant understand why you'd want a tank with only sand in it. What livestock do you want to keep in just a bare sand bottom?

I know LR is expensive, but it IS worth it. You can't beat nature's filtration... You can TRY to keep a tank with canister filters but unless RIGOROUSLY maintained, they turn into nitrate factories and poison your tank longterm. LR with a good cleanup crew processes nitrates and helps keep organic materials from building up over time and its MUCH less maintenance intensive.
 
What i'm asking is will I need more biological filtration, which you answered with a yes, and you recommended LR. Thanks =)

I wanted to hold of buying live rock, but if i need to purchase it sooner I will. I mean it's worth getting LR earlier if it means I wont have to buy some other kind of mechanical biofilter.

I've heard some people actually buying LR and breaking off pieces and putting inside their canister filter. would that be sufficient, or do I need to follow the rule of 1lb per gallon of water?

Would I have to wait for certain water conditions before I add the LR?


And how is adding fish flakes to work as adding ammonia to the tank?
 
Yeah, I use zero mechanical filtration. No canisters, just a lot of live rock and 2 powerheads. Breaking up LR and putting it in cansiters is really only reccomended if you dont want to see the LR and you allready have canister filters available from an old freshwater setup ;)

The 1lb per gallon rule is firm, but there are alternatives to buying it all in one go from your LFS. First off, is to look on classifieds of boards such as this one or other places and find local reefers selling LR. They'll usually sell it at 40-50% less than the price of an LFS. For example, around here, most LFS' sell LR for $6/lb but most reefers sell it for $3/lb when they're breaking down tanks.

The second alternative is to buy say 30% of the LR weight you need and buy some dead base rock for the LR to "seed" over time. This is the method I used cause my budget when I started was very low. I can tell you from personal experience that you'll deal with some very heavy algae blooms and you have to stock very slowly to not overload the bio capacity of your LR as its growing, but it does work. I'm almoast 5 months into my tank and the base rock is starting to look more and more like the live rock. Its nowhere near as covered with beneficial algaes, bacteria, and other life as the LR was, but its no longer the algae factory that it was :)

The final alternative uses the same premise as the previos only with making your own base rock. Basically using a 5 parts aragonite sand or crushed coral to 1 part cement, molding it into shapes you want, then curing it up for a month to leech out all the basic chemicals from it. Again, same downfalls as using true base rock (algae blooms, slow stocking), but it also has an added downfall of taking an extra month for the rock to cure. However the benefits are that you can design your reef structure however you want, and its prolly the cheapest way. IMO, downfalls outweigh benefits, but thats just me.

Edit: Flakes can fuel your cycle, but the dieoff from the LR when you buy it and bring it home to your tank will add enough ammonia to jumpstart it. Basically, you should decide if you're gonna spend the money and go with the convenient route, or go with the baserock portion. Then, place your baserock in your tank with proper temp saltwater, and add the LR. Wait till ammonia/nitrite are zero, do a water change if nitrates creep up too high, and add fish. One tip I will give you, dont build your rock structure on sand. It WILL settle over time and collapse. And the collapse will always kill your newest or rarest corals/fish ;). Build your rock structure stable off the glass (supported with a pad uner the tank if you have non-tempered glass), and superglue bits together if you need to.

Edit2: Depending on which side of the "pond" you're on, online suppliers are also usually cheaper than LFS' and do sell quality LR.
 
Hmm, I didn't know that people actually glued their live rock together to stand in the tank, i always thought it was propped up in the back, or just one whole piece.

After reading your post though, I think I will go try to get some LR. I actually found someone breaking down a tank and am contacting him/her about purchasing his cured LR. I've already got a canister filter coming on the way, would this be useless now, or the more filteration the better?

what would you recommend to use as padding when building up my LR once i get enough to do so?


Holy Moley I just realized you are from Buffalo, I just graduated from UB and moved to NYC. Thats why i'm starting up a new tank. Hehe, funny how small the world is...
 
Oh cool, what are you doin down in NYC now? Small world indeed :D Making it even smaller, I actually work at UB. What was your major there?

If you were back in Buffalo, I'd say look up the Upstate Reef Society, but you're a little far from the rest of us now ;)

Edit: Since you're from teh states with me, you likely have tempered glass and wont need a pad. What model tank is it? All-Glass Aquarium? Perfecto? Somethin else? The canister filter can still be very useful, especially on a nano. Depending on which type it is and how its constructed, I'd crush up some LR with a hammer and toss it in there. I'd leave one part/chamber of it empty just in case you ever have to run a phosphate binding media in it :)
 
I'm in NYC working. There's alot of opportunity here, and most of the people I know are from around here. I was a management major.


Are there any water conditions i need before I were to add LR?

The canister filter I purchased was a Magnum 350, and I don't remember what brand my tank is, I bought it too long ago... :)
 
Only conditions for LR are temp 77-83f and salinity 1.021-1.027

Make sure you dry fit your powerheads, heater, etc before you go buy LR and fill the tank ;)
 
I used Tap water for my tank, should I be putting in water conditioner prior to adding the rock?
 
Nah, just wait at least 24 hours from the time water is added to the time you add rock. I WOULD test for copper though, cause if you ever plan on keeping corals in the tank, you need to know if your tapwater has copper in it. Copper kills corals quickly
 

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