Sean where in this thread have you answered any of my questions? All you are doing is pissing me off. What good have our post done at all? The only advice really given by you was that I should take my clown back. Whats with the 3 other posts? If you dont like me dont post in my threads then. And sure you given me advice in the past, and how have I ignored it? Ive tooken a lot of advice from this forum and used it. But sometimes I see a fish and what advice from people and experence to see if it will fit in my tank or not. Im sure we have all seen a fish and say to ourselves I want that fish, thats what happened with me and convicts, so I asked a basic question to see what they are like and etc. I do this and tons of research.