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Andy, is your frogfish the only thing (livestock wise) in your tank?

What are you currently feeding your new guy, and what frozen do you start with?
 
You say you can keep the smaller species in 5-10 gallon tanks, could you then keep one in a 5.5 without a sump but with a skimmer and hob filter. And can they be ok with reef tanks? I'm going to check out what you also said but was wondering those two questions.

A video would be nice :good:
 
Here's a vid of me feeding Frog-Man. I just used to put things on the end of the stick and he would eat them. IF the stick was empty he would still strike. Even got him to eat freeze-dried/flake food off it once. He spat the second lot out though :D I started on spratt with him and he soon took anything off the stick. Remember to be patient when training frogs for frozen. in the wild they can go weeks, if not months, without feeding.



The frog is the only thing in the tank, except a few hitch hikers like small snails and bristleworms. Frogs are ok in a reef setting (they won't eat polyps) but expect them to eat all the other fish in the tank and any ornamental shrimp and most crabs.

You could easily keep one of the smaller species in a 5.5 gallon without a sumpo. Antennatus spp or Antenarrius maculatus are the most likely prospects. I would prefer to rely on LR than a HOB filter, especially as 3kg of LR is not the most expensive thing inthe world.
 
Awesome Video :hyper:

Ya I'm going to have LR but I was told to have a aquaclear for extra movement and to put stuff in it if needed/wanted and I'm thinking of making it into a refugium.

So basically I have the tank+equipment (is a skimmer necessary when doing weekly or bi-weekly water changes?) and before I waste anymore of your time I see you can get them to eat frozen food, is this the type you buy at your lfs or at the grocery store or both? And yes I can keep a reef tank, I wasn't planning on any other fish and you say no inverts, so no hermit snails or anything for cleanup? Thanks just want to make sure I can provide the right environment before wasting much of your time, though I'm serious of getting one. hmmm sianeds maybe you should get one now too, my tank isn't costing too much yet :shifty:

p.s. did you ever see the picture of the giant frogfish I got for you, I finally got one and didn't know if you saw it and whether you cared to or not?
 
Ok...I'm definately getting one! :hyper: :nod:

That is beyond cool. And I love the grumpy little faces! I had no idea that they actually move their lure. That's awesome!

If my lfs ever gets one in, is their anything special you need to look for (or watch out for) besides the basics? Any online places you recommend for purchasing one?

Would gut loaded ghost shrimp be ok as a live food, until it starts to eat frozen? Or does it have to have some SW feeder fish?

Is it possible to keep pairs together safely? I noticed liveaquaria had a pair for sale at one point.

Andy, how dare you force us to get frogfish! :lol:

Oh...and what's spratt? :blush:
 
Awesome Video :hyper:

Ya I'm going to have LR but I was told to have a aquaclear for extra movement and to put stuff in it if needed/wanted and I'm thinking of making it into a refugium.

So basically I have the tank+equipment (is a skimmer necessary when doing weekly or bi-weekly water changes?) and before I waste anymore of your time I see you can get them to eat frozen food, is this the type you buy at your lfs or at the grocery store or both? And yes I can keep a reef tank, I wasn't planning on any other fish and you say no inverts, so no hermit snails or anything for cleanup? Thanks just want to make sure I can provide the right environment before wasting much of your time, though I'm serious of getting one. hmmm sianeds maybe you should get one now too, my tank isn't costing too much yet :shifty:

p.s. did you ever see the picture of the giant frogfish I got for you, I finally got one and didn't know if you saw it and whether you cared to or not?

I am unsure on hermits. On the one hand I would be surprised to see the frog take something carrying defence such as a shell, but having seen Frog Man try and eat the water change hose and also try and eat the entire feeding stick when it was 6 times longer than him, I would not be surprised to see them try.

Snails do seem to be left alone, though rather than a clean up crew one could go for a design to prevent the necessity. I plan on taking out most, if not all, of the substrate in the new frog's tank to rpevent anything getting caught in the tank there and to aid in keeping nutrient levels low.

If you kept a small frog and did water changes at least 10% a week, but prefereably 2 lots of 10% per week then you should be ok. I always aim for 10% per week whether I am skimming or not.

I buy my frozen from either a supermarket or fish sheds. Wherever is cheapest. LFS will almost always double the price.

I think I saw the pics, though they weren't too clear.


Ok...I'm definately getting one! :hyper: :nod:

That is beyond cool. And I love the grumpy little faces! I had no idea that they actually move their lure. That's awesome!

If my lfs ever gets one in, is their anything special you need to look for (or watch out for) besides the basics? Any online places you recommend for purchasing one?

Would gut loaded ghost shrimp be ok as a live food, until it starts to eat frozen? Or does it have to have some SW feeder fish?

Is it possible to keep pairs together safely? I noticed liveaquaria had a pair for sale at one point.

Andy, how dare you force us to get frogfish! :lol:

Oh...and what's spratt? :blush:

Be careful on the species they get in. Telling the different species apart can be difficult at the best of times, let alone when someone does not really know a lot about the fish.

Only thing to try and get is one that is already feeding frozen, then most of your work is already done. Gut loaded shrimp would be fine to start with, my frogs have always loved chasing them:

Antennarius hispidus eating shrimp

It is possible to keep a pair together but there are two risks:

1) That the larger of the two (usually the female) will decide to eat the smaller;

2) That they may become aggressive to each other.

One way to try and introduce more than one frog to a tank is to divide it with eggcrate down the middle so the frogs can see each other. If they react aggressively to each other then it's best to get seperate tanks or leave the egg crate there. If they are fine then remove the eggcrate.

I believe spratts (Sprattus sprattus) are another name for whitebait.
 
There goes my project's novelty. :rolleyes: At least my set up was the first to be created.

Well I never knew you could keep frogs in such a small tank :blush: now I know, and apologize for taking your idea

andywg-when you say design the tank so no need for snails, how do you go about doing this? and your saying go bare-bottom? I was kinda hoping for some inverts and a reef look with the higher lighing, you said the reef is ok but not inverts, so I guess snails are ok you said, that's good to know :good: and hermits you just have to try
thanks a ton

sorry for hijacking this thread dixaisy

p.s. I just talked to my friend and told him about getting a frog fish and he says he doesn't think it's a good idea since the smaller species can still reach lenghts of 4.5" and it's only a 5.5 gallon tank? What do you say about this?
 
andywg-when you say design the tank so no need for snails, how do you go about doing this? and your saying go bare-bottom? I was kinda hoping for some inverts and a reef look with the higher lighing, you said the reef is ok but not inverts, so I guess snails are ok you said, that's good to know :good: and hermits you just have to try
thanks a ton
I am shooting for bare bottom soon yes. Easier to keep clean.

Snails should be fine, but most other motile inhabitants of a reef envrionment (other fish and shrimp etc) are a no no. I am unsure on hermit crabs as to whether the frog would go or not.


p.s. I just talked to my friend and told him about getting a frog fish and he says he doesn't think it's a good idea since the smaller species can still reach lenghts of 4.5" and it's only a 5.5 gallon tank? What do you say about this?

With all respect, your friend knows very little about frogfish, here are maximum sizes for a number of species that do not reach 4.5" (And this is total length, nose to tail - sourced from Reef Fishes Volume 1 by Scott W. Michael):

Antennarius dorehensis - 3"
Antennarius randalli - 1.7"
Antennarius pauciradiatus - 1.7"
Antennarius maculatus - 3.9"
Antennatus strigatus - 3.1"
Antennatus tuberosus - 2.8"

Of these, I would be loathe to keep A. maculatus in anything less than a 10 gallon, but the Antennatus spp and Antennarius randalli should be fine in a small tank. Just remember the usual caveats about keeping smaller marine tanks such as keeping a very close eye on temp and salinity as these will change quickly.

I would recommend a water change after each feeding, and possibly consider around 0.5 gallons per day water change to ensure water quality to start with and maybe lengthen it to 1-2 gallons per week in total.

One thing I haven't pointed out yet is that although these things have an amazing ability to consume comparatively large prey, it isnot best practice to test that. A couple of smaller feedings per week should be fine, feeding a couple of prawns around the 0.5 to 0.75" mark. and other similar sized food.
 
I can't believe I didn't ask this earlier, because my decision souly rests on this answer.....

Can a frogfish be kept with a pincushion urchin about the size of an orange? Would the frog try to eat it?
 
I can't believe I didn't ask this earlier, because my decision souly rests on this answer.....

Can a frogfish be kept with a pincushion urchin about the size of an orange? Would the frog try to eat it?
Some frogfish will indeed consume urchins. Reef Fishes has a great photo of a frog with a couple of urchin spines in its lip from its last snack.
 
There goes my project's novelty. :rolleyes: At least my set up was the first to be created.

Well I never knew you could keep frogs in such a small tank :blush: now I know, and apologize for taking your idea

I was just loking about that. ;) It's nice to see frogfish being appreciated more.

On Andy's advice (it was a chain of PM's; you guys didn't see it, but maybe I should post them as they were very informative), I am going to try keeping a smaller Antennarius in my ten gallon tank. I can gain access to a larger tank if by mistake I get an A. commerson or other large species.

Here are some pictures of my set up, still in the cycling phase.

-Lynden
 
Andy i have read that a frog fish will eat its self to death if you let it and that it digests food slowly.
On RC they recomend 2-3 silversides a week.
What do you feed?
 

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