Betta Genetics

[modaz]

thought we could have a little thread about genetics. dont see why not as this subject isnt talked about so much and since theres alot more of us starting to spawn (their bettas i mean ) would be nice to hear what they are trying to achieve and maybe we could all help eachother etc.etc.etc...................blar,blar,blar.

 

[K.J.]

I'm trying to achieve an opaque shade, possibly with dalmation.. which my male has signs of. And I've taken an interest in halfsuns, because i like both crowntails and halfmoons.. my goal to to achieve an opaque/orange dalmation halfsun, or widespan CT.

 

[Snooks1!]

I plan to try to create a HMPKHS(CT) line in the near future, and would like information on the dominance of the HM, PK, and CT genes. Would breeding a HMPK with a CT be better, or would I be better off breeding a CT & PK, and then taking the resulting fry and breeding it with a HM.

OR! Breeding a HM with a CT and then the resulting fry with a PK.


Also...If I go with breeding a HMPK with a CT, would it be better to breed a male HMPK with a female CT, or vice versa. And the same for all before mentioned pairs....


Or does this not make any sense at all?

 

[modaz]

I'm trying to achieve an opaque shade, possibly with dalmation.. which my male has signs of. And I've taken an interest in halfsuns, because i like both crowntails and halfmoons.. my goal to to achieve an opaque/orange dalmation halfsun, or widespan CT.

hmmmm nice objective you have there, the dalmation effect is whats called "polkadot" rather than what some would consider marble, when you put the 2 types together you can clearly see why its called polkadot and not marble, the polkas should be more present on the finnage than on the body. some ppeople call halfsuns combtails simply for the reson that one they havent been classified yet and two they dont like to dabble into new descriptions, it wont belong before the halfsun is classified though.

 

[K.J.]

I'm trying to achieve an opaque shade, possibly with dalmation.. which my male has signs of. And I've taken an interest in halfsuns, because i like both crowntails and halfmoons.. my goal to to achieve an opaque/orange dalmation halfsun, or widespan CT.

hmmmm nice objective you have there, the dalmation effect is whats called "polkadot" rather than what some would consider marble, when you put the 2 types together you can clearly see why its called polkadot and not marble, the polkas should be more present on the finnage than on the body. some ppeople call halfsuns combtails simply for the reson that one they havent been classified yet and two they dont like to dabble into new descriptions, it wont belong before the halfsun is classified though.

I used to have a betta (halfmoon) who was a dalmation MG.. beautiful guy. Yes, what I'm aiming for is a fairly pure/opaque, not white body with similar colored fins, and orange dalmation marks. CTs really aren't as recognized as halfmoons or plakats, and it seems most people take an interest in those. However, I prefer the shorter-rayed CTs as apposed to the normally more accepted long rayed... Which is why I have decided to focus on halfsun, rather than a crowntail (as they have shorter rays)
How does this genetics line sound?
gen1 x gen1
gen2 dalmation/proper coloring ct x dalmation, or proper colored halfmoon
gen3 fish x gen3 fish
gen4 x halfmoon?

Or should I wait until gen3 to outcross it with a halfmoon?

 

[modaz]

I plan to try to create a HMPKHS(CT) line in the near future, and would like information on the dominance of the HM, PK, and CT genes. Would breeding a HMPK with a CT be better, or would I be better off breeding a CT & PK, and then taking the resulting fry and breeding it with a HM.

OR! Breeding a HM with a CT and then the resulting fry with a PK.


Also...If I go with breeding a HMPK with a CT, would it be better to breed a male HMPK with a female CT, or vice versa. And the same for all before mentioned pairs....


Or does this not make any sense at all?

i would personally go for the HMPK with the CT, but get yourself a CT with a wide spread but short extensions, by crossing the hm with pk you'll only end up with spadetails and then eventually crossing again you would get some HMPK so cut this bit out as its just time consuming.
Some say that the female holds the dominant gene, which ive gotta admit i think is true as ive got fry who are showing more of the characteristics of the females than the males, got a juvi about 3.5 months old who is a result of a Delta male mixed marble red/blue and CT cambo female, it's got a tail which is showing one ray at the top and rays at the bottom but none in a third way down with a wide spread forming. the rest of the fry turned out as very light blue/red combtails. here it is

there is a particular name for this type of tail but i cant remember it as im tired but will find the link to it tomorrow.

 

[goin_all_out]

I plan to try to create a HMPKHS(CT) line in the near future, and would like information on the dominance of the HM, PK, and CT genes. Would breeding a HMPK with a CT be better, or would I be better off breeding a CT & PK, and then taking the resulting fry and breeding it with a HM.

OR! Breeding a HM with a CT and then the resulting fry with a PK.


Also...If I go with breeding a HMPK with a CT, would it be better to breed a male HMPK with a female CT, or vice versa. And the same for all before mentioned pairs....


Or does this not make any sense at all?

iv often thought about what a hmct would look like. so long as u could keep nice long radials but getting the hm tail!

 

[Snooks1!]

Well, I'm going to try both HMCT and HMPKCT...And see what comes out best.

So daz....


I should go with a HMPK female with a wide-spread CT male?


However... My very fist spawn..will hopefully be between a HMPK male and a HMPK ( I think....) female that I'm getting from Kylie. This will be a bit of a toe-dipping in the breeding business for me, just to get my chops, so to say, in line.

We'll see...

 

[TribeOfShroom]

I'm trying to achieve 'perfect' cambodian butterfly VT's

 

[blue_betta]

my head hurts.....

lol and i thought my thread about the BOHSPK im going to try on was confusing

 

[ibbledibble]

i want to get copper HS's. and also see if i can get some cambo HMDT's

 

[nakomis90]

OOOOH hello Daz, well obviously i have too share now...
Im going to be breeding HM line....
im looking at making nothing particularil posh, just a nice quality HM line
more than likely Royal blue.... although i wouldnt mind geting a royal blue female....
then my fry should be 50% royal blue 50% green...
hmm then i ma have to start a green line...


although in the spawn tank at the moment im trying my turquiose girl SD with my roal blue VT, just too see if i can get a better VT tail....
pets at home said theyd like a better quality betta's coming in... worth a try

OOOOH daz i found some great Genetic links although im blonde and m brain struggles

 

[Snooks1!]

Post the links!

 

[Bubblenester]

OOOOH hello Daz, well obviously i have too share now...
Im going to be breeding HM line....
im looking at making nothing particularil posh, just a nice quality HM line
more than likely Royal blue.... although i wouldnt mind geting a royal blue female....
then my fry should be 50% royal blue 50% green...
hmm then i ma have to start a green line...


although in the spawn tank at the moment im trying my turquiose girl SD with my roal blue VT, just too see if i can get a better VT tail....
pets at home said theyd like a better quality betta's coming in... worth a try

OOOOH daz i found some great Genetic links although im blonde and m brain struggles

Royal x royal will actually give you 50% royal, 25% green and 25% steel. I love breeding royals because of the variety you get in the offspring.

 

[nakomis90]

even better
lol