Best Way To Control Ph

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Ok, so just wondering what people use/recommend for Maintaining proper PH levels? I never had to really worry about it but on my last trip to mexico i brought home some amazing pieces of coral (dead of course) and now they are in my tank.. i cant believe i didn't process the thought that this would throw off my PH..... (came across it while researching why my plants were having issues) i feel Terrible for my fish and have some Jungle Correct PH tabs that i am currently disolving to add to tank... they supposedly adjust to 7... but at one tab per 10G... well lets just say maintaining a 90G tank will get pricey... i figure there must be some concentrated Ph Adjust liquids out there.. any sugestions would be appreciated.
 
DO NOT add tablets that change pH, this can cause a huge problem. Unfortunately, since the coral raised your pH, that is where it is going to remain unless you remove the coral. It is not a really good idea to add stuff to your tank to move the pH all over the place.


Your pH will naturally stabilize in your tank if you do not add anything to it. Also, your fish can adapt to a very wide range of pH levels, so do not worry there. If you can, please take the pH tabs ASAP!

-FHM

Here is an article I wrote:

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The Effect of pH on Autotrophic Bacteria (The bacteria in our filters that process ammonia and nitrite)

*It is really important that you know how the Nitrogen cycle works before reading this article. You can read about the Nitrogen cycle here.*

There are two different types of bacteria in our filters. One type, which utilizes ammonia for a food source, is nitrosifyers from the genus Nitrosomonas, while the other type that utilizes nitrite for a food source are called Nitrifying bacteria, from the genus Nitrobacter. Just as long as we know the real names and where they come from, I will be referring to the two different types of bacteria as either Nitrosomonas for the ammonia bacteria, and Nitrobacter for the Nitrifying bacteria. We can also refer to both of these types of bacteria as Autotrophic Bacteria as a whole.

Autotrophic Bacteria are extremely important in our tanks. They not only keep the ammonia and nitrite levels down, but they also produce nitrate, as an end result to the nitrogen cycle, which plants can utilize for an extra source of nutrients. Autotrophic Bacteria are essential to all life because they are the primary producers at the base of all food chains. Autotrophic Bacteria are everywhere; they are in the very water we drink and the water we swim in when we go to the lake. So, it is in our best interest to have ideal environments in our tanks in order to allow these bacteria to thrive and colonize. This will allow our tanks to run to their full potential! The fact is there are multiple factors that can affect how these bacteria grow. When we cycle a tank, especially if it is for the first time, most people want the tank to cycle as fast as possible so they can add fish. However, there is one factor that I am going to talk about, and that is how the pH of the water supply, you are using for your tank, can affect the colonization of these Autotrophic Bacteria.

All water has a pH level, either it is acidic, neutral or basic, there is going to be a level of which your pH is. An acidic pH is a pH level that is below 7.0, while a basic pH level is above 7.0, and yes, you guessed it, a pH of 7.0 is neutral. Most fish can adapt to a fairly wide range of pH, however; Autotrophic bacteria can do the same, but in most cases it takes a long time for the Autotrophic bacteria to adapt to a lower level of pH. Instead, depending on the pH level of your water, your Autotrophic Bacteria are going to act differently, until they have adapted to a certain pH level. Even further, it takes time for the Autotrophic bacteria to adapt to a pH level outside their normally operated pH range, in which case if your pH drops down below 6.0, you may experience some problems. Having a pH of 8.0-8.4 is optimal for the colonization of these bacteria, but not required, especially if the temperature is at or around 84 degrees F, or 29 degrees C. It is this pH range that is going to yield the greatest growth rates for the Autotrophic Bacteria. While most water has a pH in the mid 7’s, this is still really good and will still have fairly good growth rates. Between a pH of 6.6 to 7.0, the growth and consumption rates of these bacteria will gradually decrease, but will still yield very good results at the processing of ammonia and nitrtie . At a 6.5 pH level, Nitrosomonas growth is inhibited. This means that the process of breaking down ammonia is going to be extremely slow. The bacteria at this state are just processing enough ammonia to stay alive, not grow or colonize to meat higher ammonia levels. Also, all nitrification is inhibited if the pH drops to 6.0 or less. This means that the nitrite processing will be extremely slow as well. So, with this is mind, it is extremely important to know the pH of your tank, and keep a close eye on it. If the pH drops close to 6.5, immediate action should be taken. Note: when the pH drops this low, and the Autotrophic bacteria drastically slow down the processing of ammonia or nitrite, this does not mean the the Bacteria have died off at all. In fact, this means that the Bacteria have simply gone into a "dormant" state where they process the ammonia and nitrite at extremely slow rates, and when the pH raises back up above 6.5 or so, the bacteria will then resume production on ammonia and nitrite at their previous capacity. However, like I stated before, Autotrophic bacteria can, and will adapt to lower pH levels, but it takes time to do so. Under optimal conditions, Nitrosomonas may double every 7 hours and Nitrobacter every 13 hours. More realistically, they will double every 15-20 hours.

How softness or hardness of water can effect the pH.
The pH of water is always prone to changes or fluctuations, especially when we start to cycle a tank. When ammonia is added to the tank, the pH can take some nasty turns, which could ultimately effect the Autotrophic Bacteria. When water is hard, or has a high mineral content, the water has a higher buffering capacity. This means, since the water is harder, that the pH is not as susceptible to changes, as if the water was soft. If you have soft water, this means that the mineral content in the water is low, or has a low buffering capacity. This will usually make the pH drop, or make the pH fluctuate a lot more. As the cycle progresses, and you start to produce nitrate more and more in your tank, your pH might start to drop. As nitrate, the end product in the nitrogen cycle, is a little more acidic, meaning it may drive your pH down. Depending on how soft your water is, the nitrate that is being produced could potentially make your tank have a pH crash. A pH "crash" is when your pH drops below a safe level for the Autotrophic bacteria, usually 6.5, and your Autotrophic bacteria begin to slow down or stop in production all together. If this happens, follow the steps below to raise the pH level. A pH of 6.5 or less is not necessarily unsafe for fish however. Certain fish will thrive at lower pH levels, however; these Autotrophic bacteria will go into a dormant state if the pH drops below that point, usually it is a pH of 6.0 or less for extreme cases.

How can I have fish that thrive in a pH below 6.0, where the Autotrophic bacteria's production rates have decreased? Won't the ammonia level be high because of the lack of production?
Since plants use Ammonia as a source of nutrients, having a really heavily planted tank will prevent the ammonia level to rise above a safe limit. Also, if you start off cycling your tank with a low pH, the bacteria within the tank will adapt to the lower pH value, but to do so, it will take a lot longer than having a pH above 6.0-6.5.

What are some ways to raise the pH of my tank water if it drops too low?
A large water change may be the best option if you are cycling the tank. When you do a water change, the pH in your tap water will be higher than that in the tank. So, when the new water enters the tank, the two different pH levels will reach an equilibrium. This means that the higher pH in the tap water and the lower pH in the tank will average out to a new pH, hopefully higher than before. However, since your pH dropped low in the first place, that is a good indicator that your water may have a low buffering capability, or low KH. The following steps will shows ways to raise the KH of your water, ultimately raising the pH. With constant changes in the ammonia level during a cycle, the pH can be really susceptible to change. Until you get the tank cycled and your ammonia level zeroed out, the pH will most likely change a little. This is not to worry about that much, because after the cycle the pH should be pretty stable. Here is what to do if the pH is still unstable after the cycle. pH, more or less, has a direct relation with the hardness of your water. It is really important to purchase a GH/KH test kit to know the hardness of your water. If you have soft water, your pH is going to be more susceptible to fluctuations. This means, minor things added to the tank, as little as an ammonia spike, can change the pH of your water. It is best to raise the hardness of your water a little, which would make your pH less susceptible to fluctuations. There are a couple ways to raise the pH and hardness, and they are adding sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), sea shells, limestone rocks, chunks of marble or some little pieces of coral to the tank. You can even buy substrate, which is made ideally for Cichlids, that contains parts of sea shells. Any of these can increase the pH of water.

In conclusion:

It is best not to let the pH drop too low, which is usually around 6.5 or lower. If the pH drops that low the Autotrophic bacteria's production rates are going to decrease dramatically until the bacteria have adapted to the lower pH level. Like I said earlier, this takes time to do so, so it's best not to let the pH drop that low in the first place. In other words, if you are cycling a tank, and the pH drops that low, the cycle will most likely stall.

Hopefully now you will have a basic idea on how the pH level can affect how the Autotrophic Bacteria colonize and process ammonia and nitrite within a tank.




Sources:
NItrifying Bacteria
Ways to raise pH and Hardness
Autotrophic Nitrifying bacteria at low pH

-FHM

All text in this post are copyright fatheadminnow, 2009.

And here is an article that waterdrop and drobbyb wrote:

My pH Keeps Dropping, What Can I Do Now?



Tap water can vary in pH and hardness, and all tap water is not equal. Some people are blessed with tap water that is perfect for keeping fish, and some are not. In my case, my water comes out of the tap with a pH of 6.8 and a GH and KH of less than 1. This results in a wildly swinging pH, and if left uncontrolled, can be dangerous to my fish and other inhabitants. If the pH crashes (drops to 6.2 or below) the nitrifying bacteria may be shocked, temporarily stopping their processing altogether but then slowly resuming the processing at a much lower rate.

This will leave you with a buildup of ammonia and/or nitrite. As we all know, ammonia and nitrite(NO2) are toxic to fish, and this situation demands immediate attention. Raising KH (Carbonate Hardness) is a way to resist rapid changes to pH. This is referred to as "buffering" the water. The minerals that buffer (carbonate and bicarbonate ions) can be used up as the bacteria produce more nitrate(NO3) and the acid that goes with it.

Thankfully, there are a few things we can do to prevent this. Adding baking soda to the water can raise your KH and in turn increase your pH. At first glance this seems like it would be the answer, and during fishless cycling it is a good thing, but if you have fish in the tank this can be problematic. Baking soda raises the KH and pH very very fast. Too quick of a change in hardness can harm your fish, and you only want to raise their pH and hardness in small increments over the course of several days or a week depending on how much you want to change it. Baking soda also leaves Sodium in the water, which is less desirable than the Calcium left behind by crushed coral. So baking soda is our method of choice for fishless cycling, but not for fish-in situations.

Commercial products like pH up will also raise your pH, but they do nothing to buffer the water and therefore are a temporary fix. They change the pH too rapidly just like baking soda.

Crushed coral (or aragonite or crushed seashells) will do the same thing, but at a rate that is predictable and slow enough as to not hurt your fish. Crushed coral in an acidic environment will slowly dissolve and release calcium carbonate (CaCO3) into the water column buffering your water. Our method of choice with fish, crushed coral is placed in mesh bags (so it could be easily separated if you change your mind) and placed in the filter (flowing water is needed for it to dissolve significantly.) This sounds great and all, but there is one problem. Adding crushed coral will over time raise your pH, but that's not what we are aiming for. Our ultimate goal is to prevent a pH crash. If you go too long between waterchanges, you risk harming your inhabitants when you do a waterchange. There is a delicate balance between time and waterchange frequency. In my case, I can go exactly 7 days between waterchanges. Beyond 7 days, my water change might shock the fish with too much change in hardness.

To maintain this system and avoid a hardness shock to the fish you need to keep your pH close to your tap water, thus large waterchanges (50%) are in order. You will need to test frequently to find your balance. Work on getting a feel for how many days it takes to reach a 0.5 pH change. This is the balance point and indicates how long you can go between water changes.

Once you get past the serious decision of whether to alter your tap water at all, the actual use of crushed coral is not hard. Bags labeled crushed coral at your local aquarium shop are usually a mix of broken pieces of coral and shell (or aragonite) (also known as marine substrate.) Buy a mesh bag or use a thin sock foot or nylon to hold the crushed coral. Start with a small handful that’s been rinsed and place it in your filter. You can also hang it out in the filter flow in the tank but this will be significantly less effective. During filter cleans, the crushed coral needs to be cleaned of debris. The more white the crushed coral is, the better it will dissolve. This method is also all natural, and lasts for years.

So you can see, making permanent changes to solve low pH problems takes dedication and should not be attempted unless you are sure that you can change the water when it is time. If for some reason you miss a waterchange, you should perform a series of small waterchanges to get the pH and hardness back low enough. This process should take place over a few days.

In conclusion, pH, KH (as well as GH) and water changes play an important role in creating a stable fishkeeping environment. Understanding both the benefits and limitations of the use of crushed coral and baking soda is a useful skill for many aquarists.

-FHM
 
Whew, that was a read... ha ha ha

I guess when it comes down to it if the Coral has to go, then i guess it will go, but if there is a way to keep it.... i figure it is similar to adding the crushed coral for Hardness buffer, so if i understood properly, adding chemicals to lower the PH will just temporarily solve the issue and then the coral will just take it back up again and therefore the best thing i can do to keep my PH lower (with coral in tank) would be to do more frequent tests and see how fast the PH goes up after a water change and from there determine how much water i need to change and how often???? hmm after typing that out.. removing coral seems a lot easier... or at least taking some of it out... anyway thanks for the help... I did not add the tabs (they were disolving in a seperate Jug of tank water.
 
Your welcome.

Anyways, having a constantly changing pH is not good for fish. A higher pH, such as your tank with the coral added is most likely just fine because the fish can adapt to a wide range of pH levels.

A safe pH is a stable pH!

-FHM
 
Your welcome.

Anyways, having a constantly changing pH is not good for fish. A higher pH, such as your tank with the coral added is most likely just fine because the fish can adapt to a wide range of pH levels.

A safe pH is a stable pH!

-FHM

The fish all seem to be doing fine.. its my plants that seem to be having a hard time.. and i read that lots of plants have issues with Higher PH's but i may just head over to the plant guys and see what they recommend.. oh well, the coral was pretty while it lasted..
 
What kind of plants do you have? A lot of sword/Amazon type plants will thrive in a higher pH.

-FHM
 
Well i have Removed the Coral Prior to Doing this weekends Water change, i picked up a high ph test kit and rolled just over 9... now in my opinion that is getting pretty High. I did a small water change friday morning after pulling the coral to start the PH lowering slowly. The PH out of my tap is 7.8 but i think i will not adjust it at all and see how things do. Even after the small change and removal of the coral the Fish seem more active and some of the plants are starting to look better this morning. I had quite a bit of Coral in there.. ha ha more than i realized. Now i need to watch and see what PH does due to Driftwood in the Tank, although given the ammount of Tank... there is not much Driftwood so i dont think it will have much of an Effect. Anyway, Thanks again for all the Advice, just figured i would give an update.
 
BTW dead coral is generally regarded as ethically wrong, since it's farmed through dynamite (I think). Either way to get it they destroy fishes natural habitats.
 

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