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The photos in your journal show lots of live plants so you don't need to add ammonia.

When most of us talk about fishless cycling, we mean using ammonia to grow bacteria. If there are live plants, most of us call that plant cycling (or sometimes silent cycling). I would hate a newcomer to read that they don't need to add ammonia for a fishless cycle and assume that means to just leave the tank to run without specifying that plants are needed if ammonia is not used.
Adding Ammonia to a tank is completely illogical considering Ammonia kills fish. Why add something to a tank that will kill the occupants of the tank. I would never have been able to manage the fish rooms I have in the past, if every tank I set up I had to go through this Ammonia process. The whole process may work, but is flawed in a number of ways.
 
For people who do not want live plants, for whatever reason, it is better to use ammonia from a bottle to grow the bacteria before fish are put in the tank rather than use ammonia excreted by fish to grow the bacteria after fish are put in a tank.

For those who do want live plants, the cycling process is different as only a few bacteria grow in the background; the plants do all the 'work'.
 
For people who do not want live plants, for whatever reason, it is better to use ammonia from a bottle to grow the bacteria before fish are put in the tank rather than use ammonia excreted by fish to grow the bacteria after fish are put in a tank.

For those who do want live plants, the cycling process is different as only a few bacteria grow in the background; the plants do all the 'work'.
And in that answer is why I don't know how I have managed to keep fish alive for 46 years.
 
Have you always had live plants right from your first tank? Or did you begin with no live plants and do fish-in cycles?
 
Have you always had live plants right from your first tank? Or did you begin with no live plants and do fish-in cycles?
We used to set up tanks using water from other tanks. we used to use filters from other tanks. I ran about 30 bare bottom tanks in my fish room never thought about all the stuff you are thinking about. I bred hundreds of fish without thinking about cycling tanks before introducing fish. Those fish bred without any problem. This hobby is becoming so complicated that I can't even understand it and I have been breeding fish for 46 years.
 
That's another way of starting up a tank, but few newcomers have access to mature media which is why it isn't mentioned very often.
So explain to me why, putting live plant in your tank and then adding fish slowly isn't promoted as being the best way to "cycle" a tank.
 
Nowadays we do recommend that live plants are the best way to prepare a tank for fish. That's why there is now a plant cycling sticky in the cycling section which I persuaded a member to write. But where a newcomers does not want live plants or has no access to mature media, we have to suggest other ways to cycle a tank.
 
Nowadays we do recommend that live plants are the best way to prepare a tank for fish. That's why there is now a plant cycling sticky in the cycling section which I persuaded a member to write. But where a newcomers does not want live plants or has no access to mature media, we have to suggest other ways to cycle a tank.
That is great, but just maybe members should be encouraged to have live plants in their tanks rather than be given ways of not having them. I am sure the fish would rather have a live plant tank rather than a plastic plant tank. We need to think of the wishes of the fish rather than the humans that want to keep them in glass boxes.
 
I agree.

I am a more recent converts to live plants - when I first started keeping fish I just could not keep plants alive but since then I have managed to grow "easy" plants.
I was 'persuaded' by posts on here to try using just plants to quarantine fish. I was sceptical but it worked. I now do tend to post that experience as an example of what plants can do.
 
I agree.

I am a more recent converts to live plants - when I first started keeping fish I just could not keep plants alive but since then I have managed to grow "easy" plants.
I was 'persuaded' by posts on here to try using just plants to quarantine fish. I was sceptical but it worked. I now do tend to post that experience as an example of what plants can do.
This is probably why it isn't easy to recommend the silent cycle wholeheartedly in good conscience, although I rarely see a post where the option is not highlighted. When a beginner with planted tanks, I had to buy, and kill, lots of types of plants to find which ones thrived in my tanks and how to nurture them. If I had to start off with 30-50% of the tank planted and actively growing I think it would have taken me months, as well as being very expensive.
 
Please just make this cycling thing simple. Fill your tank with water turn everything on, add a whole lot of plant. Once the plant starts growing add a few fish at a time. I can not believe how something so simple has become this huge scientific exercise size of ppm of this and ppm of that. Who really wants to do this, we only want to keep fish in a glass box!!.

I'm reading so many different things it's confusing.

I'm sorry got side tracked. Just go and pick up some rocks and put them in your tank, you don't need to buy them.

Me and my girlfriend went to the reservoir tonight, came back with loads of rocks, i'll clean them tomorrow in hot water and leave them for a few hours, my pump never arrived, it should be here tomorrow, i'll fill the tank up, switch the pump on put all the bogwood/driftwood and rocks in and then read what to do next :lol:
 
I'm reading so many different things it's confusing.



Me and my girlfriend went to the reservoir tonight, came back with loads of rocks, i'll clean them tomorrow in hot water and leave them for a few hours, my pump never arrived, it should be here tomorrow, i'll fill the tank up, switch the pump on put all the bogwood/driftwood and rocks in and then read what to do next :lol:
Slow down with the wood!
It'll need soaking for at least a week, if not two. This'll be to make sure there's nothing nasty in it, such as creatures or fungus and to leach out some of the tannins.
It's also to make sure it's not full of air...you'll never get it to stay sunk, otherwise. ('Drift'wood drifts for a reason. ;) )
 
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Slow down with the wood!
It'll need soaking for at least a week, if not two. This'll be to make sure there's nothing nasty in it, such as creatures or fungus and to leach out some of the tannins.
It's also to make sure it's not full of air...you'll never get it to stay sunk, otherwise. ('Drift'wood drifts for a reason. ;) )

The wood has been in a bucket for about a week now, i've been changing the 'tea' coloured water every couple of days!
If there were any creatures i'm sure they have already boiled away by now.
 

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