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Well the way I look at it, would you like a balanced diet of bloody fish flakes and koi sticks? Have you ever tasted them? They are rank, fish flakes are like eating bits of crepe paper.An the nutritional content of them is probably pretty crappy (ash etc) and most pellets are derived from trout pellets which have a huge fat content anyway.Ive had no deaths ever in that tank.The salt isue tho may be valid tho ill think on that 1.
And as for a Giro diet!!!...well I only put branded stuff in there (fatty loves smokey b Walkers an cheese an onion Walkers) an it costs more than a tub of fishy flakes!That heart tip sounds good tho might go to the butchers and see.And remember they do eat there greens to from the plec food
 
Oh holy smeg. :no: I suspect you've discovered why your fish is so fat and I wouldn't expect the thing to have a long life.
The fish is a fish, not a human. We all know just how bad these things are to ourselves long term, even if they do taste better. I hate to think what it's doing to the intestines of your fish.
Crisps are fatty, greasy and have all sorts of additives in them. Fish food is designed to provide a diet as close to that that the fish would eat in the wild. If you really wanna do the right thing and you have no objection to spending money, as you seem not to. Study what your fish would eat in their natural enviroment and provide as much of that as possible. Makes alot more sense then expecting it to live a long, healthy life on junk food.
Hugs,
P.
P.S:As for doing a water change once quarterly.....I'm not even going there. :X
 
LOL, thers also a heck of a lot of crap in what you feed him. You wouldn't live on that, would you? Or do you? Buy high quality flakes, the cheaper ones are made form rubbish but the more expensive ones are made from just fish, no bulking agents (or very few). Think of it this way. What would happen if YOU lived on pepperami, crisps and bacon? You'd get very very fat, very high cholestral, very bad heart etc.... So why is it different for fish? You are slowly killing him, like you'd be slowly killing yourself. Have you seen how many chemicals are in what you feed him? Artificial colours, flavours, preservatives :sick: :no:
 
Well the way I look at it, would you like a balanced diet of bloody fish flakes and koi sticks? Have you ever tasted them? They are rank, fish flakes are like eating bits of crepe paper.An the nutritional content of them is probably pretty crappy (ash etc) and most pellets are derived from trout pellets which have a huge fat content anyway.Ive had no deaths ever in that tank.The salt isue tho may be valid tho ill think on that 1.
And as for a Giro diet!!!...well I only put branded stuff in there (fatty loves smokey b Walkers an cheese an onion Walkers) an it costs more than a tub of fishy flakes!That heart tip sounds good tho might go to the butchers and see.And remember they do eat there greens to from the plec food


Poor, poor fish.

You have made sure that he will have a short lifespan...... Pick up a fish book, and READ it, learn about the fish. Think about what you are doing.

Symptoms of Nutritional Deficiencies
Darkening of body or fins
Reddening of body and fins
Color loss
Fin erosion
Lateral line erosion
Lower jaw erosion
Skin lesions
Increased sensitivity to bacterial infections
Slow wound repair
Hemorrhaging of the gills
Changes in blood chemistry
Cloudy eyes
Exophthalmus (abnormal protrusion of the eyeball)
Weight loss
Atrophying musculature
Rapid breathing
Loss of appetite
Poor growth
Convulsions
Loss of equilibrium
Erratic swimming
Spiral swimming
Mortality
The most important thing you can do is vary your fish's diet. Refer to the article to find the nutritional needs for your type of fish.


Feed the Right Stuff

By Scott W. Michael
As with humans, or any other animal, a poor diet can equate to general ill health and greater susceptibility to pathogens. Some of the more commonly observed problems with poorly fed saltwater fish include lateral line and fin erosion, weight loss, color infidelity, listlessness and disease outbreaks.

Fish need protein, lipids, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals. Unfortunately few foods contain all or enough of these essential nutrients. Therefore, the best way to ensure all their nutritional prerequisites are met is to give them a varied diet. This means a combination of flake, frozen and fresh foods. Relatively few reef fishes are specialized feeders. For example, the vast majority of carnivores feed on a number of different types of prey, not just a single animal species. With your reef fish, variety is essential to ensure their long term health.

One good staple food is frozen sea food. Shrimp, clams, squid and marine fish flesh, rinsed and finely chopped are great foods.

I will take frozen shrimp, squid or fish flesh and run it over a cheese-grater to produce bite sized shavings for my fish. Many graters have holes of varying size so you can adjust the size of the shavings to better suit the size of the fish your feeding. If feeding marine fish flesh, avoid oily species (e.g., tuna, herring) as they will cause a fatty film on the water's surface. Also beware that fresh foods can quickly become rancid, polluting the aquarium. Therefore, it is important to remove uneaten pieces from the aquarium bottom and filter soon after it is introduced to the tank. Although some have suggested that feeding fresh or frozen seafood can spread pathogens to your fish, to the best of my knowledge, I have never had this happen.

One of my favorite foods is frozen mysid shrimp. I have found that there are many fish that may normally be difficult to feed, but will accept these succulent little crustaceans with gusto! They are also a nutritious food, relatively high in protein and fats. I am so excited about these crustaceans as a food source that I've teamed-up with Biotope Research Laboratories to offer whole, vitamin enriched mysid shrimp (Lifeline Scott Michael Mysis Shrimp).

Unfortunately, not all frozen mysid shrimp are created equal. Some brands tend to consist more of mysid fragments rather than whole shrimp. The only downside with mysids is that they are not high in carotenoids. If you feed your fish only mysids, certain fish species may exhibit some color loss. I would recommend supplementing a mysid diet with some of the frozen preparations (e.g., Lifeline frozen foods) or flake food with added pigments.

I used to discourage the use of flake food as a staple diet for marine fishes, but there are some wonderful, nutrient-rich brands out there now that are not only good for your fish, but can help maintain their amazing colors. Vibra-Gro is one that I've had good success with. It has added pigments that will reduce the likelihood that a spectacular fish will change from dramatic to dull.

There are also some wonderful frozen preparations made-up specifically for fishes of the various feeding guilds, like carnivore diet and herbivore diet, or even specific taxonomic groups. For example, a specific diet for angelfishes (which includes sponge fragments), a diet for triggerfishes and also diets for small sharks. The Lifeline Foods, produced by Biotope Research, are my favorite frozen foods. They include a mix of marine organisms (e.g., scallop, fish, crustacean), supplemented with pigments, vitamins and essential amino acids, and make great staple foods.



I do feed some frozen brine shrimp and krill, but would never recommend you use it exclusively. Both these foods, and many other crustaceans, are rich in carotenoid pigments and do help fish retain their bright colors. Another way to ensure your fish are getting their nutritional "fix" is to soak fish food in an additive like Selcon. This contains omega-three fatty acids and a stabilized form of Vitamin C, vital nutrients that are often missing in aquarium fish diets. It works particularly well if you are feeding freeze-dried foods, like krill, which soak it up like a sponge.

If you are keeping herbivores (e.g., tangs) and omnivores (e.g., angelfishes) in your aquarium, you will need to supplement their diet with vegetables. A great supplement for plant-eaters are the sheets, flakes or chunks of dried macroalgae that are now on the market. For example, Julian Sprung's SeaVeggies Seaweed Flakes are chopped algae that most fish will accept with gusto. These products enable the aquarist to feed their herbivores brown, green, and red algae species, which should be fed on a daily basis. There are suction cup feeders on the market you can stick on the inside of the aquarium, making it easier for the fish to browse on the vegetable matter.

I also recommend feeding some live foods and these can be especially helpful if you are trying to get a finicky fish to eat. I have found most fish love live black worms, but I am very careful not to throw too many of them in the aquarium at once since they quickly die and decompose. Live brine shrimp and ghost shrimp are also popular with many marine fish and freshwater crayfish and fiddler crabs are great treats for predators that like large crustaceans. Freshwater feeder fish, like mollies, guppies and goldfish are very popular foods, but you should not feed your predators only live freshwater fish since they lack fatty acids that marine fishes need for good health. Live marine mussels, which are sometimes available in the seafood section of grocery stores or in fresh fish shops, are a great food to initiate feeding in finicky feeders. These mollusks are particularly valuable for enticing picky eaters, like certain butterflyfishes and angels. Simply break the shell open with a screwdriver and a hammer and then throw the open clam into the tank. The feeding frenzy that ensues is remarkable!

A varied and proper diet is just as important as temperature and water quality. If a fish is fed a diet that lacks necessary nutrients, its immune system will be weakened. But if provided with a proper diet, such as a herbivore receiving the high quality plant material it needs, it has a better chance of warding off the parasites that are most likely to infect it. This will save you and your fish much grief in the long run!
 
Has your fish ever suffered from swimbladder trouble, ie swimming upside down or not being able to get off the bottom? If not then you want to keep him that way, so dont feed him flaked food.
A lot of people feed fish the wrong diet. A goldfish needs variety in its feeding but im sure your goldie will relish the odd live/frozen food of bloodworm or specially made jellied food rather than crisps. Goldfish are like dogs, they will eat anything or at least try to eat everything.
I found this thread amusing as im sure most of the people here keep dogs and cats etc and feed them human food a lot of the time.
Give your goldie a piece of orange now and again, he should love it.
 
Thanks for the info, i spose my feeding techniques are far from orthodox but my fish are happy and healthy. Of course I jus dont feed em junk foods they r more treats, they also get things like rice krispies, sugar puffs,cornflakes (and those flakes have 33% of an adults RDA for vits an mins) and so on. Ive jus always fed them this way and really they love it, esp fatty. And like i said he jus doesnt like flake altho the others do eat it. Rest assured they are happy healthy fish!!

Piece of orange? That sounds cool never tried him on fruits, that might work well. How about bananas and apples etc will he eat them too? Wow this opens up a whole new area for fatty, he'll be well chuffed !! :)

Oh and no swim bladder problems he swims straight and true lol! Altho i did have a black hoar a few years ago and that 1 used to literally do summersaults, an i fed him on flake. Wonder if its linked? My pub diet may have some benifits after all!!
 
I know what you mean Fella im finding it funny as well but more in the cant believe it funny.
To be honest this diet is probably better than what other goldies get.
You can feed your fish on any bit of fruit you like as long as its cut really small, mine used to love banana and they do like veg as well, just make sure the harder trypes like aubergine are lightly boiled first.
To be honest i dont think theres much a goldie wont tackle and if he doesnt like it then try something else. Just hold back on the vindaloo though lol
 
Now,

Only one word came to mind when I skimmed this thread.

Flaming.

After reading it through, I have decided to let it go.

It's bloody hilarious.... :lol:

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Next will be stories of cats eating caviar and chips, and dogs fed on well hung game with mayo and dirkee salt. Funny?, you bet!
 
I'm sorry but this must be a wind up. It just can't be for real. It's hillarious. :lol:

Ps: Apologies for any hurt feelings by those comments if this is for real, but I'm still laughing my head off. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
I'm sorry but this must be a wind up. It just can't be for real. It's hillarious. :lol:

Ps: Apologies for any hurt feelings by those comments if this is for real, but I'm still laughing my head off. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Errm,

Like I said, it's got to be a BK flamer.

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And, yes, I'm still laughing histerically.
 
It may well be a wind up but why cant it be for real?

Ive seen on other boards some things people have fed to goldfish and this isnt really that bad. I can totally believe that he does feed this stuff to his fish.
So to you lot it may seem like a wind up and could well be as ive already said but it does happen.
 
It may well be a wind up but why cant it be for real?

Ive seen on other boards some things people have fed to goldfish and this isnt really that bad. I can totally believe that he does feed this stuff to his fish.
So to you lot it may seem like a wind up and could well be as ive already said but it does happen.


I also am of the opinion that this is the real deal. I believe most of us would lay down and die if we knew some of the situations fish (with owners who don't research) lived in. That's not a cheap shot at the OP by the way, at least he came here for help.
 
Many people posting have never kept goldfish and so are finding it unbelievable that this is the fishes diet.
Goldfish by nature are pigs and will eat anything. I'm sure if you dropped a krispie into a tropical tank most fish big enough to eat it will either eat it or balk on it. Not so our greedy goldie friend, anything is game.
Im not saying its right to feed this diet but if the fish eats it then some would say why not just feed it.
Hopefully through these posts no one will bash you but tell you what should be fed instead.

Most fish are fed flaked foods as a staple, but feeding fancy goldfish too much flake will end up giving the fish swimbladder problems so getting a healthier balance is what we should be trying to get across.

Cutting back on the fattier foods is a good idea but dont feed flake if you can get away with it.

Good luck with your fish and watch him closely when vaccuuming.

Im really interested in seeing a pic of your fish. If nothing else just to see if he is as fat as you seem to think he is.
 
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