Amy Winehouse Dead

[micko]

Anyone, with the slightest clue about addiction wouldn't say that statement you did. I truly hope no one close to you ever goes through it as its hard.

Isn't the point of addiction that you have to have taken the drugs in the first place, it's not exactly forced upon them, the option was always theirs. However the people in Norway had no choice in their future because of some madman, and I realise I'm a hypocrit by giving this thread more attention than it deserves, but I thought I'd give my two cents.

I've never said any different about those in Norway.

In some cases drugs are forced upon people, however, I don't know what her circumstances were.
Believe it or not, she didn't have a choice either.
Everyone makes mistakes, big ones or small ones, some learn from them, others don't and "the point" of addiction maybe that the person has to have taken something in the first place, but look at addictions to food, cigarettes, alcohol, gambling ect, (which earn the government huge incomes through taxes) people can just as easilly get addicted to those things and it seems to be more socially acceptable to see people staggering around a town or street late at night, why is that?

 

[Ace Of Spades]

Anyone, with the slightest clue about addiction wouldn't say that statement you did. I truly hope no one close to you ever goes through it as its hard.

Isn't the point of addiction that you have to have taken the drugs in the first place, it's not exactly forced upon them, the option was always theirs. However the people in Norway had no choice in their future because of some madman, and I realise I'm a hypocrit by giving this thread more attention than it deserves, but I thought I'd give my two cents.

I've never said any different about those in Norway.
Never said you did, but it appears you feel as though you did.


Believe it or not, she didn't have a choice either.
We wont agree, drugs is like politics we have different stances on people who use drugs, mine is that it was her fault no one elses.

 

[micko]

We wont agree, drugs is like politics we have different stances on people who use drugs, mine is that it was her fault no one elses.

That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I truly believe that without proper help and support no addict would ever get clean without proper help. Knowing where I've come from and the help and support I've got over the years I wanted to do the same to others and that's made my decision in a career change (coupled with a back injury I got from a car crash which means I couldn't build anymore) to become a counsellor.

 

[minnnt]

How exactly did she not have a choice?! She could have stood up and walked away from the line of crack on the toilet seat...

 

[KkAaNnEe]

I dont know if any of you are from Camden but I am, Its very hard to stay away from drugs in the environment she was in and the people she was with... Of course she had a choice, but clearly she wasnt sober when taking drugs, she was probably off her face drunk too, which affects decision making, as most of us know!

 

[minnnt]

Has it been confirmed what the cause of death was?

She could have moved away from that environment quite easily.

 

[jenfor]

I don't want to come on here and make a bad impression and fall out with people in my first couple of posts however I'm sure people on here are more mature than that anyways!

I think it's horrible to say that you have no sympathy for her. It's a shame regardless and it's obviously going to be very heartbreaking for many people, and just because she didn't live your particular choice of lifestyle (nor mine either!) doesn't mean it's not a tragic thing to happen, even if we did all see it coming. I was never an Amy fan, however knowing how it feels to lose someone it's not something to make jokes about or anything like that. It's also not easy to fight an addiction whether it be drugs and alcohol, or even for some people ~ food! It's not like you can just stop when you choose to, and it's not always easy to seek help either, and it's not easy to admit you have problems. So whether or not you liked her or agreed with her lifestyle, you still need to sympathise for the loss of a great talented woman.

It's a shame to see someone go from healthy and well to what she had become, but you can't solely blame her for becoming what she had.

 

[micko]

How exactly did she not have a choice?!

Addiction is not about choice. The initial, first time of taking something is a choice (not all cases)
Do you smoke? Drink? Gamble?

 

[fishy55599]

Has it been confirmed what the cause of death was?

She could have moved away from that environment quite easily.

I heard it was overdose...

 

[markandhisfish]

She wazzed her life away with drink and drugs, I have no sympathy.

My sympathy is however with those in Norway.

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[minnnt]

How exactly did she not have a choice?!

Addiction is not about choice. The initial, first time of taking something is a choice (not all cases)
Do you smoke? Drink? Gamble?

Luckily for me, i don't do any of the above. The reason i don't do any of the above is through choice. A choice of my own.

The reason i don't smoke is because i have a 3 year old daughter.
The reason i don't drink is because i have a 3 year old daughter.
The reason i don't gamble is because i have a family and a home.

The above are all more than enough reasons to stop me starting.

I agree that addiction is not about choice, but the first instance is without doubt unless forced which i doubt very much was the case with Miss Winehouse.

Just to add... the only thing i am addicted to is fish.

 

[Symo420]

It's not really a surprise to see it happen though is it? Death is always sad, and everyone has an opinion on her drugs and lifestyle. Drugs aren't the end of the world, and there is plenty of people who take drugs on the odd occasion, tried it once or twice, or even come back from addiction that lead happy and healthy lives. From what I saw over the years, she pushed herself to the absolute limit day-to-day, and this resulted in her body just giving up.

As sad as it is, it's not like she didn't know what she was doing to herself. Either way, another soul is put to rest, and may that soul rest in peace.

 

[Ace Of Spades]

I dont know if any of you are from Camden but I am, Its very hard to stay away from drugs in the environment she was in and the people she was with... Of course she had a choice, but clearly she wasnt sober when taking drugs, she was probably off her face drunk too, which affects decision making, as most of us know!

Product of her own enviroment? Camden is a very very tiny part of London, it takes about 10 minutes to walk from one end to the other, hardly inescapable.

 

[KkAaNnEe]

I dont know if any of you are from Camden but I am, Its very hard to stay away from drugs in the environment she was in and the people she was with... Of course she had a choice, but clearly she wasnt sober when taking drugs, she was probably off her face drunk too, which affects decision making, as most of us know!

Product of her own enviroment? Camden is a very very tiny part of London, it takes about 10 minutes to walk from one end to the other, hardly inescapable.

Camden is actually a borough, so no it doesn't take 10mins to walk from one end to the other, it stretches from west hampstead/hampstead all the way to covent garden.. unless your talking about Camden Lock or Camden high street? Of course it has something to do with the environment, if she wasnt in that environment, she may not have been into the things she was into. She didnt venture out of her little part of London, like most that are from London, South London might aswell be Scotland to me.

Im not saying she was trapped, but she didnt have anywhere else to go, yeah she had money, but how boring to be on your own somewhere unfamiliar with lots of money, but no friends...

 

[Ace Of Spades]

I dont know if any of you are from Camden but I am, Its very hard to stay away from drugs in the environment she was in and the people she was with... Of course she had a choice, but clearly she wasnt sober when taking drugs, she was probably off her face drunk too, which affects decision making, as most of us know!

Product of her own enviroment? Camden is a very very tiny part of London, it takes about 10 minutes to walk from one end to the other, hardly inescapable.

Camden is actually a borough, so no it doesn't take 10mins to walk from one end to the other, it stretches from west hampstead/hampstead all the way to covent garden.. unless your talking about Camden Lock or Camden high street? Of course it has something to do with the environment, if she wasnt in that environment, she may not have been into the things she was into. She didnt venture out of her little part of London, like most that are from London, South London might aswell be Scotland to me.

Im not saying she was trapped, but she didnt have anywhere else to go, yeah she had money, but how boring to be on your own somewhere unfamiliar with lots of money, but no friends...

Well I'm from London as well, I was exaggerating for a point but it seems to have gone straight over your head. Nevermind. Not everyone in London is on drugs, those who chose not to don't, I know plenty of people from Camden who don't do them. Everyone seems to make excuses for her which I don't understand, she was a singer, had people looking up to her and she conveyed the wrong message, it's not a loss but a gain for all those who thought drugs were "cool".