All My Fish Died! Why?

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Hello all,
I'm new to this forum and have only recently gotten back into this great hobby but have gotten off to a bad start :(
I've kept and bred fish, especially cichlids as a child as a hobby and for extra pocket-money and have never come across what happened in my tank this week.

Anyway, back to present day. I've been given a Fluval Edge and had it up and running for about 2 months. I got two water treatments with it 1-tap water treatment and 2-"good" bacteria additive. I added 5 guppys and and 5 neon tetras. I lost one tetra and a few guppys, which is to be expected at the beggining.

Last friday I did a 50% water change and filter clean (cleaned in tank water). On saturday i bought a small Bala, 2 Clowns and 2 Kissing Gouramis. All was well with them until monday afternoon when I come home to find a Gourami and Neon dead. The rest of the fish seemed unhealthy at this stage too. One thing I noticed was that Silica sand from the substrate seemed to be clinging to some clear slime hanging off the gourami's and clowns after they had touched the sand. Otherwise all the fish were very healthy.
I immediately bought a 6-in-1 test kit and everything was fine. I did another 50% water change but it was probably too late as all the fish were dead by the next morning!!!

I dont know what happened? Anyone any ideas?
 
Your Fluval Edge was overstocked with just the Guppies and Tetras. These tanks should simply be banned, they are death-traps, very little water volume and an even poorer surface area for oxygenation of the water to occur.

Buying fish needs some basic research to know their needs. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but what on earth made you think Clown (Loches) with a max size of ~30cm and a Bala (Shark) of upto 40cm were suitable for your tank... Even as babies?

My best guess? Suffocation due to not enough oxygen in the water, before aggression-related deaths took hold.
 
WOW sorry for the loss of your fish.

But I am afraid it was down to you and the number of fish you put into a very small and inadequate sized tank. Was the tank cycled not that it would of made no difference, I am also sorry to be harsh but you really do need to do some research about tanks fish equipment and cycling this is a very extreme case of lack of knowledge.

The 2 bottles of Bacteria additive you brought were a waste of money as they were as close to useless as a bottle of Ketchup. There is really only 2 ways of cycling a tank. Fish in and Fish less and personally I would only ever endorse Fish less cycling.

Regards onebto.
 
In short (to answer your question), ammonia poisoning killed your fish.

For the long answer see below. :)

I've been given a Fluval Edge and had it up and running for about 2 months.
^^-- What did you do to get it 'up and running'? Just fill with water and dechlor and leaving it running? Add 'bacteria in a bottle'? Add ammonia? Fish food? Dead prawns etc?

If you simply filled with water and dechlor (even if you also added bacteria in a bottle), this 2 month period will have done nothing to ready your tank for fish.

I got two water treatments with it 1-tap water treatment and 2-"good" bacteria additive.
^^
Tap water treatment is dechlorinator to remove chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals from the water. I'd personally recommend seachem prime, but the one you have will probably be doing the job fine so it's not going to cause a problem.

Bacteria in a bottle is often useless. Even if it does contain the correct bacteria (which not all do), they will almost always be dead before they reach your tank.
Unless the bacteria was a proven to work make that has a clear use by date and had been stored in a fridge then it's definitely useless.

I added 5 guppys and and 5 neon tetras. I lost one tetra and a few guppys, which is to be expected at the beggining.
^^
This is a VERY old way of thinking. There is no reason your fish should ever die once introduced to the tank for the first time.
You need to learn about 'cycling', please see my signature for links. You want to read 'what is cycling', 'fishless cycling', and 'fish-in cycling'.
Your tank (by the sounds of it) hadn't been cycled at all Ie. the bacteria needed to convert fish waste, ammonia (which is toxic), into nitrites(which are also toxic) and then those nitrites into nitrates(which are safe), weren't present in your tank (more precisely in your filter).
Fishless cycling is a process of artificially feeding the bacteria ammonia to carry out the nitrogen cycle.
Fish in cycling is using the fishes waste to carry out the nitrogen cycle. Fish in means instant fish, but also mean large (often twice daily for the first couple of weeks) water changes.

Last friday I did a 50% water change and filter clean (cleaned in tank water).
^^ Hopefully you now understand you were in a fish in cycling situation so should've been doing large water changes (80% or more isn't uncommon) twice daily (or however often your test kit depicted to keep the ammonia and nitrite below 0.25ppm).
The ammonia levels will have built up to very high levels, this causes burning of the gills and eventually the burning gets bad enough that the fish cannot get enough oxygen from the water.
Did you start seeing gasping by any chance?

On saturday i bought a small Bala, 2 Clowns and 2 Kissing Gouramis.
You do realise you have a 27l tank right?
Bala sharks grow to 40cm and should technically be kept in shoals. Is the fluval edge even 40cm long? Surely you did the math there right?
Clowns? I presume clown loaches? These guys grow slowly but grow up to 30cm...they're also really really heavy bodied. You're talking nothing short of 3ft (150l) as a grow out tank really... with the neccesity to upgrade in the future to allow them to grow properly. Clearly unsuitable for a 27l fluval edge.
Kissing gouramis 20-30cm and are quite heavy bodied. Minimum 200l tank really just for youngster due to tempremant and the need to have room to grow.

Really with the fluval edge you're pretty much restricted to fish that grow to around 4cm max and are slim bodied. The neons and guppies (if they were male) were a good choice to be honest. However 5 neons and 5 male guppies will bring the tank to it's full stocking capacity! And at the very least you'd have to wait a good 6-12 months until all the fish were definitely fully grown, then judge whether it would be suitable to add any more fish based on what your weekly water test results were. Ie. if your nitrates were climbing to quickly then you wouldn't want to add more fish.

I immediately bought a 6-in-1 test kit and everything was fine.
^^ 6 in 1 test kits... paper strips right? These are grossly in accurate and don't test for ammonia. As you were only at the very beginning of the cycling process the ammonia would've been sky high but there would be no nitrites or nitrates present (with the exception of what was already present in your tap water).
So where you see 'perfect results', if you'd tested for ammonia you'd have found they were probably unbelievably high.

I personally use the API Freshwater master test kit. It is liquid based (much more accurate), and also comes with everything you need. Ammonia test, nitrite test, nitrate test, ph and high ph tests.
They can be picked up relatively cheaply on ebay, much much better to have your own than rely on shops. But I'd rather send people to shops (shops almost always used liquid kits) than you use those strips.


Sooooooooo... does your head hurt yet? lol.
I'm really sorry to hear of your losses, especially if you're anything like me cause you probably feel a bit guilty now. Don't completely blame yourself though, although you should've researched beforehand, mistake to happen. Plus I personally believe shops should have slightly more duty of care and help people set up tanks correctly instead of just selling you a product (fish).

You're now at a cross roads... you could:
Keep the edge and fishless cycle it.
Keep the edge and fish in cycle it (to fish in cycle and edge I wouldn't use more than 1 male guppy).
Get a bigger tank a fishless cycle it.
Get a bigger tank and fish in cycle it.

The only reason I thought I'd throw 'bigger tank' out there is because the edge really limits your stocking possibilities due to it's size. However if you like it then it's just a sacrifice you'll have to make, and there are plenty of 'nano' fish around (2-4cm).

Personally I'm not a fan of the edge, but that's just my opinion. I find them rather overpriced for what they are, very restrictive both scaping and stocking wise, plus they're harder to maintain than your average tank.
 
Your Fluval Edge was overstocked with just the Guppies and Tetras. These tanks should simply be banned, they are death-traps, very little water volume and an even poorer surface area for oxygenation of the water to occur.

Buying fish needs some basic research to know their needs. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but what on earth made you think Clown (Loches) with a max size of ~30cm and a Bala (Shark) of upto 40cm were suitable for your tank... Even as babies?

My best guess? Suffocation due to not enough oxygen in the water, before aggression-related deaths took hold.

I did think that there may be a problem due to the lack of surface area in the tank so i dropped the water level to increase the surface area, I think it was a case of too little too late.

I have never had a problem keeping clowns or balas in any size tank, they grow to their environment. The plan was to eventually move them onto a bigger tank anyway.

What do you mean by "aggresion-related deaths"?
 
I have never had a problem keeping clowns or balas in any size tank, they grow to their environment. The plan was to eventually move them onto a bigger tank anyway.
^^ This is completely untrue, much like your earlier comment of 'a few deaths are expected'. Fish don't just grow to their environment. Goldfish are the only fish that are proven to actually have stunted growth if kept in a tank that is too small, so in a way your statement is correct about them... but their organs continue to grow even though their body doesn't. This results in premature deaths.
For other fish (although it may not cause stunting... there is no real proof), it does still cause premature deaths. People speculate as to why... but it is a fact that a tank that is far too small for the fish will almost always result in the fish dying much much younger than it should.

What do you mean by "aggresion-related deaths"?
The kissing gouramis are territorial by nature and would've wiped the other tank mates out in the near future if ammonia poisoning hadn't gotten them first. They would then probably have turned on eachother.
 
I'm sorry for your loss.
I myself have a Fluval Edge, and I have to say that you stocking it with kissing gouramis which grow up to 12 inches, bala sharks which grow up to 13 inches, and clown loaches which grow up to 12 inches, was a horrible mistake. The general guideline for new fishowners is 1 inch of body mass per one gallon of fish tank. With your guppies and neons, you have over 60 inches of body mass. That's 10x what the Edge can handle!

My current stock for my fluval edge is:

3x Balloon mollies -> slightly less bulky than regular mollies
6x Kuhli louches -> they don't produce as much waste for their size

Even with my edge, it's overstocked. I do regular water changes 3x a week.
Do your research before you buy fish.
 
Curiosity101 - thank you for taking the time out to give me a detailed reply. I have been reading about the different ways of cycling and I am going to do a fishless cycle. Whether to do it in a bigger tank or not is the question. I have heard a lot of bad press about the fluval edge and dont think I should use this tank if I want to get back into fishkeeping in a big way.
 
Curiosity101 - thank you for taking the time out to give me a detailed reply. I have been reading about the different ways of cycling and I am going to do a fishless cycle. Whether to do it in a bigger tank or not is the question. I have heard a lot of bad press about the fluval edge and dont think I should use this tank if I want to get back into fishkeeping in a big way.


Its a real shame that all fish died what was, in fact, a horrible death. But im glad that you are taking heed of good advice, and doing things right now. Just dont add any fish!!!!
 
i'm now looking for a larger tank that can accomodate the type of fish i wish to stock,
thanks guys :)
 
I'm really sorry that you lost all your fish, but you know, it's so lovely to see someone who has really taken the advice given and is going to do things properly. It's very refreshing ^^

Please keep us updated with your progress :good:
 

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