Afraid For My Gouramis !

[SlyPolak]

It doesnt say anything about running carbon. Just says after you are done with treatment do a 25% water change and thats it. Also says you can do another run but ONLY one more if needed....never states carbon/how ling to wait etc. I think im just going to do a good 25% - 30% change and run some carbon for about 24 hrs to be safe...THEN do 5 more days just to be safe.

 

[WILDER]

Keep doing water changes as that removes meds from the tank.
Ask int tropical discussion about the black carbon after using maracyn. As plenty of members have used the med.

 

[SlyPolak]

Ok, so today I got my API Master Test Kit in and the readings are a little crazy, Im hoping its just the meds. doing this. In a few minutes I will test my water and post that because I have well water so some of the nitrates may come from that... ALSO I will be getting my hardness test kit in tomorrow and will also post that


PH - 8.2

AMMONIA - 2.0 ppm

NITRITE - .50 ppm

NITRATE - 40 ppm

Did anyone ever use Maracyn 1 and 2 and have their readings SCREWED UP like this???

 

[SlyPolak]

Ok, so I tested my well water and the readings are as follows.....

PH - 8.0

AMMONIA - .50 ppm

NITRITE - 0 ppm

NITRATE - 0 ppm

I thought it was a little crazy seeing my PH and exspecially AMMONIA so high straight from my well....guess I haveto see if my water softener is working right.....

 

[WILDER]

Maracyn does kill beneifical bacteria in the filter.
it can wipe it out completely, or the tank will go into a mini cycle.

maracyn seems to protect the fish in bad water quality. But keep doing water changes.

How are the fish today?

 

[SlyPolak]

They are doing GREAT!! I havent seen the gouramis flicking, rubbing, scratching, or swimming weird since maybe the beginning of the 2nd day of treatment. All the other fish seem fine, never seen anything weird with the betta or the kissing gouramis. The angel with the clamped fins isnt clamped anymore, its doing good. But there is one thing im a little worried about, the black angel that lost part of its top fin seems like it has extra slime coat on it. Its a black fish but its gray under the right light because it seems like its covered in super thin white. Any ideas what it might be? Its eating good, swimming normal,,,, everything is normal besides that. Do you think it might be because of the salt or medicine... temp. is down to 81 degrees.

 

[SlyPolak]

So I read that the API ammonia test kit tests for free ammonia (NH3) and ionized ammonia (NH4+) .. Of the two forms the free ammonia is supposed to be much more toxic. Some people say only test for (NH3) free ammonia and the other is not really much of an issue.. I was about to go out a buy an ammonia test that only tests for (NH3) free ammonia , but I found a link on-line that lets you calculate the free ammonia from the API kit that tests for both (NH3) AND (NH4+) by using your PH, temp, and total ammonia!!! So here is the link I found.. http/cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~piwc/w3-research/free-ammonia/nh3.html .... I was wondering is this true or should I go with the results of both free and ionized ammonia ??? WHAT DO YOU THINK WILDER ?

 

[WILDER]

Slime on fish can mean bad water quality, ph shock, parasites, bacterial, toxins.

Also finrot can cause excess slime on fins.
Fish will produce more slime coat when there protecting themselves.

it might of been protecting itself from the salt.
Just keep a close eye on the fish for parasites signs.

As for the free ammonia test, haven't a clue.
Ask in tropical discussion, or new to the hobby section of the forum. As I can't answer your question i'm afraid.

Glad the fish are responding to the med.
Thanks for keeping the thread updated.

 

[SlyPolak]

Will ask in tropical duscussion, Im super glad they are getting better too. I say its all thanks to YOU Wilder, if it wasnt for you who knows what kind of advice i would of gotten from the store. Here in about 2 hours I will be doing a 50% water change, I will also be putting some carbon in the filter for 24 hrs. Then tomorrow another round of 5 days of Maracyn 1 and 2, hopefully the septicemia will be totally out of my tank by then!! All signs of it are allready gone but I will be doing another round to make sure its GONE! THANK YOU AGAIN WILDER!!!!

 

[WILDER]

Thanks for the kind words.
I'm really happy there on the mend.

 

[SlyPolak]

Ok, so about 6 hrs after I did a 50% water change and added carbon to the filter the readings are a little crazy!!

pH: 8.2

ammonia: 2 ppm

nitrite: .25 ppm

nitrate: 40 ppm

kH: 17.9

gH: 250.6

tank temp: 81 F

Im starting to think that the first round of Maracyn 1 and 2 DESTROYED the beneficial bacteria in my filter ! Tomorrow Im still going to start another round just in case there might be something left of the septicemia.. Does that mean I have to go through another cycle with this many fish !!

 

[SlyPolak]

Hey Wilder... If you have some time when ever you are on can you read this and tell me what you think??
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/327248-question-about-combining-maracyn-1-and-2/

 

[WILDER]

Once the med treatment up you could take a mature filter sponge from another tank. (Only if there no desease in the tank).
or buy some bio spira which cycles the tank.

I would use the full dose as septicemia is pretty dangerous.
Only on the second round of treatment you might get away with preforming water changes, without adding the med back. It's up to you.

 

[SlyPolak]

Once the med treatment up you could take a mature filter sponge from another tank. (Only if there no desease in the tank).
or buy some bio spira which cycles the tank.

I would use the full dose as septicemia is pretty dangerous.
Only on the second round of treatment you might get away with preforming water changes, without adding the med back. It's up to you.

I was just wondering what your opinion was because I dosed wrong in the first round (half/half). Wondering what you think about the 50% water changes and not redosing full, just continuing for 10 - 14 days when the package says... Repeat this 5 day step onlu once if needed.. Im thinking it might be ok since i didnt do it right in the first place..

 

[WILDER]

As long as the fish have showed signs of improvement the med worked.
Like humans you can be on a low, meduim, high dose, of antibiotics depending on the severity of the infection.

If you are worried do the full dose of maracyn one and two for 5 days.
To kill any remaining bacteria.