Advice On Small Dogs

[venom2112]

what i actually said was go to some shows, backyard breeders don't show, chat to the breeders, most breeders know of the backyard breeders anyway so will tell you , try to find out more about the breed, breed clubs etc.. as for rescue pups being a blank canvas, well i have to disagree there, if you go on any dog website for any breed at all , the first thing they all say about buying a pup is see the parents, you can get a pretty good idea of the size & nature of the pup from seeing the parents of the pup, as for adult rescue dogs, i wonder how many people would honestly take a dog to the cat & dog shelter & say we need to hand this in as its snapped at the kids! not many, i support our local cat & dog shelter giving food, papers, bedding etc weekly, & also donate via standing order to the blue cross monthly, what i was saying was my opinion, i would NEVER risk a rescue dog around kids (don't know if she has any anyway) this is only my opinion though and don't doubt for a second that some people have got a great dog from the rescue centers, but i know a few who haven't! just be careful !

 

[grahamsokel]

what i actually said was go to some shows, backyard breeders don't show, chat to the breeders, most breeders know of the backyard breeders anyway so will tell you , try to find out more about the breed, breed clubs etc.. as for rescue pups being a blank canvas, well i have to disagree there, if you go on any dog website for any breed at all , the first thing they all say about buying a pup is see the parents, you can get a pretty good idea of the size & nature of the pup from seeing the parents of the pup, as for adult rescue dogs, i wonder how many people would honestly take a dog to the cat & dog shelter & say we need to hand this in as its snapped at the kids! not many, i support our local cat & dog shelter giving food, papers, bedding etc weekly, & also donate via standing order to the blue cross monthly, what i was saying was my opinion, i would NEVER risk a rescue dog around kids (don't know if she has any anyway) this is only my opinion though and don't doubt for a second that some people have got a great dog from the rescue centers, but i know a few who haven't! just be careful !

You would be suprised how many bitches end up in rescue for no other reason than they are pregnant or how many litters of pups come in because the owner has had an unwanted litter and cant rehome them,that doesnt mean that these Bitches or the pups they produce will not be excellent with Kids.
I always say if you are not really bothered about a certain breed to consider a rescue.
Any pups we rehome have a life time back up from us and any new owner has to sign a contract to say if for any reason they cant keep a dog at any stage in its life they must contact us and we will take it back.I also dont have any quarms about telling someone they are not suitable for one of my pups lol.
We are not showing at the moment due to my health problems,I cant travel long distances due to my Arthritis but that doesnt make us back yard breeders.
We have shown for years to the point of getting best pup in breed at crufts after winning in a class of 20 pups and our dogs have many CCs and RCCs.

 

[venom2112]

what i actually said was go to some shows, backyard breeders don't show, chat to the breeders, most breeders know of the backyard breeders anyway so will tell you , try to find out more about the breed, breed clubs etc.. as for rescue pups being a blank canvas, well i have to disagree there, if you go on any dog website for any breed at all , the first thing they all say about buying a pup is see the parents, you can get a pretty good idea of the size & nature of the pup from seeing the parents of the pup, as for adult rescue dogs, i wonder how many people would honestly take a dog to the cat & dog shelter & say we need to hand this in as its snapped at the kids! not many, i support our local cat & dog shelter giving food, papers, bedding etc weekly, & also donate via standing order to the blue cross monthly, what i was saying was my opinion, i would NEVER risk a rescue dog around kids (don't know if she has any anyway) this is only my opinion though and don't doubt for a second that some people have got a great dog from the rescue centers, but i know a few who haven't! just be careful !

You would be suprised how many bitches end up in rescue for no other reason than they are pregnant or how many litters of pups come in because the owner has had an unwanted litter and cant rehome them,that doesnt mean that these Bitches or the pups they produce will not be excellent with Kids.
I always say if you are not really bothered about a certain breed to consider a rescue.
Any pups we rehome have a life time back up from us and any new owner has to sign a contract to say if for any reason they cant keep a dog at any stage in its life they must contact us and we will take it back.I also dont have any quarms about telling someone they are not suitable for one of my pups lol.
We are not showing at the moment due to my health problems,I cant travel long distances due to my Arthritis but that doesnt make us back yard breeders.
We have shown for years to the point of getting best pup in breed at crufts after winning in a class of 20 pups and our dogs have many CCs and RCCs.

its my opinion sorry, its that simple!! as for you not showing now im sure if i went to a show & said your name the other breeders would tell me that you were ok but no longer show for health reasons, as for your contract breeders terms or return to you im afraid it isn't worth the paper its written on, i checked this out at a solicitors once for someone ( mywife works for one!) whoevers name the dog is in thats the owner & they do not have to return that dog to you at all, he said that breeders are under the impression that these "contracts" (for want of a better word") are legally binding but in fact are no good at all & mean nothing!

 

[LisaLQ]

All my dogs have been rescues, and none have been bad with kids. It's not only unfair to say not to trust rescue dogs with kids, it's completely misleading. There are many many many wonderful dogs needing homes in rescues, and it's old wives' tales like that that condemn most of them to an early death. Please remember that before you type - while breeders are quite happy to bring dogs into the world while there's thousands put to sleep every year, some of us know that the homes their dogs are taking up would be quite suitable for many rescue dogs, but because someone scaremongers like that - they get put to sleep instead through no fault of their own.

By all means tell folks to be careful about which rescue to use, and getting an assessed dog, or one with a known history - but dont tar all rescues with the same brush - it only proves your own ignorance.

 

[venom2112]

It's not only unfair to say not to trust rescue dogs with kids, it's completely misleading. There are many many many wonderful dogs needing homes in rescues, and it's old wives' tales like that that condemn most of them to an early death.

Please remember that before you type - while breeders are quite happy to bring dogs into the world while there's thousands put to sleep every year, some of us know that the homes their dogs are taking up would be quite suitable for many rescue dogs,

By all means tell folks to be careful about which rescue to use, and getting an assessed dog, or one with a known history - but dont tar all rescues with the same brush - it only proves your own ignorance.

1) its my opinion thats all, i wouldn't trust a rescue dog with kids & thats it, you can if you want, your choice, not me though

2) breeders normally have a waiting list for there pups & a lot of breeders only breed to keep there lines going ( i owned 4 bitches over time & only took 3 litters, thats not excessive is it) as for the homes there taking up, what makes you think that everyone wants to own a mongrel??

3) i don't tell anyone anything, i just gave my opinion on this thread and said what i thought, if you think thats ignorant that again ,is your choice but its my opinion, i think the statement "some of us know that the homes their dogs are taking up would be quite suitable for many rescue dogs, is the stupidest thing i have ever heard!! everyone likes different breeds, thats the way it is

 

[Bloo]

what makes you think that everyone wants to own a mongrel??

You absolutely have every right to your own opinion no one argues that. But in others opinion, yours seems bit skewed with blanket statements.
Again - just their opinion so that's all nice and simple.

However - is this another blanket view that all dogs in rescues are mongrels? Because that's what it certainly looks like you're indicating.
The first time I went to a rescue centre - I nearly fell on my back with surprise at all the pure breed animals in there - and young pure breed animals - amongst the scruffy old mongrels. And the percentage was a lot higher than I ever dreamt might be.

For my own reasons I "generally" have pure breed animals from breeders - but not exclusively.

At the end of the day, each to their own

As for small dogs, I think wirehair Dachsie's are just the cutest little things! and personally much prefer them to Bostons. For one thing the eyes give me the heebie jeebies in an endearing way

 

[grahamsokel]

as for your contract breeders terms or return to you im afraid it isn't worth the paper its written on, i checked this out at a solicitors once for someone ( mywife works for one!) whoevers name the dog is in thats the owner & they do not have to return that dog to you at all, he said that breeders are under the impression that these "contracts" (for want of a better word") are legally binding but in fact are no good at all & mean nothing!

The difference is we always keep in contact with everyone that takes a pup from us,and i dont just mean for a few months after they are sold.Like i said Back up for the dogs life and i mean whole life.Some of our now friends have 3 dachshunds from us and we have a waiting list of prospective owners.

 

[venom2112]

what makes you think that everyone wants to own a mongrel??

You absolutely have every right to your own opinion no one argues that. But in others opinion, yours seems bit skewed with blanket statements.
Again - just their opinion so that's all nice and simple.

However - is this another blanket view that all dogs in rescues are mongrels? Because that's what it certainly looks like you're indicating.
The first time I went to a rescue centre - I nearly fell on my back with surprise at all the pure breed animals in there - and young pure breed animals - amongst the scruffy old mongrels. And the percentage was a lot higher than I ever dreamt might be.

For my own reasons I "generally" have pure breed animals from breeders - but not exclusively.

At the end of the day, each to their own

As for small dogs, I think wirehair Dachsie's are just the cutest little things! and personally much prefer them to Bostons. For one thing the eyes give me the heebie jeebies

yeah bostons look like they have just had a fright!!lol

 

[LisaLQ]

1) its my opinion thats all, i wouldn't trust a rescue dog with kids & thats it, you can if you want, your choice, not me though

2) breeders normally have a waiting list for there pups & a lot of breeders only breed to keep there lines going ( i owned 4 bitches over time & only took 3 litters, thats not excessive is it) as for the homes there taking up, what makes you think that everyone wants to own a mongrel??

3) i don't tell anyone anything, i just gave my opinion on this thread and said what i thought, if you think thats ignorant that again ,is your choice but its my opinion, i think the statement "some of us know that the homes their dogs are taking up would be quite suitable for many rescue dogs, is the stupidest thing i have ever heard!! everyone likes different breeds, thats the way it is

I stand by my comment about your obvious ignorance. If you think that all rescue dogs are untrustworthy mongrels, it just proves how little you know about rescue animals and how you should stick to talking about things you know about.

You only have to look at this page to know that there's just as many pure breed dogs needing homes in rescues as there are mongrels:
http/www.dogpages.org.uk/breeds.htm

Click on your preferred breed, any of them, and you'll see there's at least one rescue for all the breeds there. And that's just breed rescues - but even your regular all breed rescue will have many pure breeds looking for homes.

I find your comments very sad - as it just proves how ignorant some people are about what's going on in the rescue world. The last thing these dogs need is a load of old wives' tales being spread about them - mongrel or purebred. And the last thing they need is someone posting snobby insinuations about how purebreds are more worthy of a home than "mongrels".

Just for information - I have nothing against people going to a reputable breeder. And by reputable, I would mean someone who at least did home checks and had a contract stipulating the dog would come back to them if problems arose....

 

[venom2112]

why bother with a contract? not worth the paper its written on! as i said in the above post (do you not read these threads?? now thats ignorance!!)you could put a breeding ban on but i think the kc stopped that as some breeders were only doing it so they would use there dogs at stud, what i was saying about rescue dogs is each to there own, i wont & will never get a rescue dog, its as simple as that, what anyone else does is up to them, as far as talking about things i know nothing about, im afraid i don't know anything about tropical fish (thats why im on here in the 1st place) but if you like it or not i do know my dogs, should do been doing it long enough now, as for knowing about a rescue pup, how do you know how big its going to grow?? what its crossed with ? etc.. not for me, if i want a big dog i will buy a boxer or mastiff, small dog Boston or French bulldog with a pedigree from a reputable breeder!! then i wont have to take it back to the cat & dog shelter in a years time because its grown to big! i will know what i get

 

[axor]

1,,,,I TOTALY AGREE WITH VNEOM2112 WHY PUT YOUR KIDS AT RISK FOR A DOG FROM THE CAT AND DOG SHELTER(OR ANY DOG!!).NO ONE KNOWS THE BACKGROUND OF THE DOG (WHY IS IT IN THE CAT AND DOG SHELTER IN THE FIRST PLACE??)

2,
WHY HAVE ANY DOG'S AROUND KIDS
(THEY ARE ALL GREAT AND WOULD NEVER BITE ANYONE BUT THEY DO WATCH THE NEWS!!!!)

http/www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460175,00.html

 

[axor]

BET U THINK THIS IS OK !!! IN MY EYES IT IS DISGUSTING PUTTING KIDS AT RISK FOR A ANIMAL !!!

ALL IT TAKES IS ONE WRONG MOVE AND THE KID'S HAD IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pica_nuttalli]

axor, please don't shout. People will take your arguments much more seriously if you use shift instead of capslock.

 

[LisaLQ]

No I dont think it's right that kids climb all over dogs, but dogs shouldn't be ruled out just because you have kids. As for not knowing how big a dog will grow - most pups in rescues are born in rescues, where do you think they come from - out of thin air?

I have 5 kids, aged 11yrs, 9yrs, and triplet 4 year olds. Our dog Sky is a rescue dog, we've had her for 6 years now and she's never bitten any of our kids. There are things you can do to make sure it wont happen - get a dog with a known history (loads in rescues), get one from a good breeder, never leave kids alone with dogs, and make sure you train your kids as well as you train your dogs.

Saying if you have kids you shouldn't have a dog is just plain madness. There are loads of dogs out there that are desperate for a family home - that would thrive in one - and blanket rules are just condemning those dogs to an early death.

As for not reading threads - you obviously haven't read yourselves (either of you). Many dogs in rescues have known histories and no behavioural problems and make excellent pets - and as for contracts - you're right, a contract alone isn't going to stop people being crap owners. But contracts, home checks and meeting potential owners and using your own judgement can help reduce those dogs ending up in crap homes. Any breeder who doesn't home check or use contracts isn't a good breeder IMO. As that proves they dont care where the dogs end up should anything go wrong.

 

[morgan]

A pedigree dog's personality is not guaranteed. (I don't mean responsible breeders like Grahamsokel). Our first Westie was VERY unpredictable, we had to watch her very carefully. Our second Westie (from different place) was extremely placid and never bit anyone in her entire life (14 years). I used to do voluntary dog walking at a rescue centre and I can vouch for the very nice dogs they have. I used to walk one in particular which I would have loved to take home. I don't want another dog for various reasons but if I wanted one I would definitely look at a rescue dog.