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When one is dealing with ichthyology, one has to use the correct terms because they can be very specialized in meaning.  Sometimes it is just not possible to say the same thing differently.  Ask any questions you have, always.
 
So the long and the short of it - in easy to understand terms - is that several cory species are related (my panda's and melini being one of them) and then there's another different type of cory which also has other types related to them ... have I understood that right?
 
 
Yes.  There are now over 160 described species (and dozens still undescribed) in the present genus Corydoras, and I think there cannot be the slightest doubt (because of several phylogenetic studies all reaching basically the same conclusions) that these species are not all related in the same way, simply because they have evolved separately from at least nine different ancestors.
 
The separate phylogenetic analyses by Britto (2003) and Alexandrou et al (2011) both discerned nine lineages.  This means there are nine different fish that evolved into the 200 or so "cory" species we have discovered living in South America.  And when we speak of "ancestor" here, we mean the last species that directly evolved into the existing species.  Fish are still evolving, creating new species, but they can be traced back to the one species that started each lineage on this road, and that is the ancestor.
 
Corydoras panda and C. melini are in the same lineage, so they evolved from the same ancestor cory-like fish.  C. paleatus (you mention this pepper cory further on) evolved from a completely different ancestor fish, so it is still in the subfamily Corydoradinae, but it is not as closely related to C. panda as is C. melini.  One of the reasons many aquarists are interested in this scientific side is that we can learn a great deal about a species if we know something about its closest ancestors.  This is because the specific traits that make up a species will be common to all species in that same genus, if it is a monophyletic clade.  I'll come back to this idea when mentioning Scleromystax below.
 
I mentioned C. adolfoi and C. sterbai are also presumed to be in Lineage 9 (Alexandrou & Taylor, 2011).  I find this interesting, because in my 115g tank I have a group of these two species, four of each.  The C. adolfoi I know have spawned, because I found a fry in the canister filter once, and it is now the same size as the adults.  But on many occasions I have observed a C. adolfoi going through very definite pre-spawning actions with a C. sterbai, so the fact that they are so closely related is likely significant.
 
This is very different from "play" behaviour, such as I see with other species.  Different species, or individuals from different species, "hanging out" with other species is something I would suggest one can expect to see with any of the corys.  They are after all in the same Tribe in the same subfamily.  And we know that "aggression" in corys is almost non-existant.  The species that are now in the genus Scleromystax though are not so docile.  S. barbatus, which prior to Britto (2003) was considered Corydoras barbatus, can show considerable aggression to others in the species, and even other fish.  This trait is also evident in the five or six other Scleromystax species, so here again we have an example of the benefit of getting the taxonomy correct--we can assume how a new Scleromystax species is likely to behave.
 
Byron.
 
thanks Byron, I'm starting to understand it now. The way I'm seeing it in my head is as a big umberella with "corydora" over the top of it. Under the umberella is 9 different "types" of cory and under the "types" is various species of cory. 
 
This is how my mind works. When I got my first computer I didn't even know how to turn it on. When I left school computers were only just in their infancy and so I never really got the chance to learn anything much about them. I then went to work in a manual job and so never had anything to do with them until I was nearly 30 and decided I wanted to join the computer age. I have a friend who now builds computers for his job and so he helped me learn. At this point he invented "wardrobe terms" ... as in 'this is the wardrobe - this is the door - and this is how you open it - and this what is inside' it was a clever way of teaching me. It worked ... mostly. There's still a lot I won't do cos I just don't understand it.
 
That all said I taught myself how to make victorian steel boned corsetry ... I am intelligent, just in different ways! I guess you could say I have a logical mind - in I.Q tests this is where I excell (my last test gave me a score of 103!). 
 
I thought perhaps telling you that that it might help when it comes to describing things such as this :)
 
When I went to school, the word "computer" was only heard in science fiction TV shows.
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I don't know if this will help, or be of interest to anyone, but I will attach the coloured diagram from Alexandrou et al (2011) that shows their suggested lineages.  Each division in the line is where the species breaks off, so tracing the lines of the species back you come to the point where the lines diverge, and that represents the ancestor species of those existing species.  I believe the ancestor species are now extinct, though I can't say for certain.  Click on the image to enlarge it.
 

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I'd be really interested to see it Byron. I may struggle to understand things sometimes but it's all new things to learn and I like to learn. I hated learning in school (mostly cos I was bullied and didn't want to go) but now I'm an adult I like to pick up new stuff :D
 
I've just taken a couple of new photo's now everything is back up and running. I thought I'd share them :)
 
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My tigar lotus and crypt are melting thanks to being pulled up but hopefully they'll recover quickly. I just need to remember to keep adding the easycarbo
 
Now, that DOES look good :)
 
Beautifully done.
 
Wonder if you have a pic of the tank set up and before you did this. Like a before and after sorta thing?
 
Just being plain nosey and I kinda like before and after :p :p
 
yes, of course I do ... I tried to get it back as it was because I liked it was it was but with all the will in the world it wasn't going to go back exactly
 
 
Before the break down and move
 
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you can see how much of the tigar lotus I've lost and the crypt has been dug up by the plec and I'm shoved it back in but it's melting like mad. There's bits of it floating around the tank today 
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 It took me nearly 2 years to get it growing and doing well and now it's ruined again. I'm really upset about that
 
I prefer the new set-up, that's really very nice work Akasha.
 
One suggestion?  I would look for a chunk of wood that is on the long side that you can place vertically, and put it to the right of the sword in the centre, up against the back wall, in the space where the two SAE are resting in the photos.  I think this would add the illusion of more area.  A piece of bogwood that could resemble a standing tree trunk is what I'm thinking of; I use a lot of this in my tanks and it is an excellent way of adding space.
 
Byron.
 
Don't worry, hardly surprising some of the plants are melting but once they're settled again they will bounce back :)
 
when I was trying to decide on an aquascape I went on google images and saved all the pictures of the aquascapes that I liked. When I looked back over them it became obvious that 90% of what I liked were all pathway scapes and so that was what I tried to re-create. 
 
At some stage I might end up pulling it apart and trying something new. At the moment I'm not 100% sure I'm happy. The big sword on the left has been moved back and more into the corner but now it's blocking the big anubias and so I may have to try moving the sword over a bit.
 
My angels are sulking and I'm a bit worried about them. They used the big anubias for spawning and now they've retreated to the other side of the tank and they are sulking big time
 
OMG Akasha, that's Gorgeous!!!!!!!!!
 
Wow...total tank envy!!
 
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bless you Jen. Thank you. I don't see it myself but I guess we're never totally happy with our tanks and look at others with total tank envy lol
 
as to the Cory lineage.  I can try to simplify.  Lets say you have a fish species.  Will will call it Bob.  the Bob fish live in a lake.  over time they breed and multiply and start moving down river to a new lake.  So now we have Bob fish in 2 lakes.  One of the new lakes, however have nasty predators .  over time in the lake with fast predators, only the fastest Bob fish will survive to spawn.  So, those Bob fish will evolve over time to have traits that make them fast due to breeding.  At some point in time and enough changes, the new Bob fish will not be compatible with the old Bob fish because of too much genetic change.  Now we have a new species, Bob 2.  Both are Bob fish and related...yet not the same.
 
hahaha thanks Vethian ... I like Bob fish ... Bob fish is super cute no matter whether it's Bob fish 1, 2, 6 or 9!!
 

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